D-Backs may wait until after season to deal a SS

The Diamondbacks may have depth, but they’re more likely to trade away a young shortstop this winter than during the regular season (Heyman, July 20).


MLB: Baltimore Orioles at Arizona Diamondbacks


As of this past May, the Mets were still focused on trading for a young shortstop under team control for many seasons, a person with knowledge of the team’s thinking told columnist Andy Martino (Daily News, May 21).

The Mets and Arizona spent time scouting one another’s players during much of Spring Training (Carig (Newsday) Mar. 21). The potential for a trade between the Mets and D-Backs has been worth watching, “it has legs,” a person unaffiliated with the two teams said in March (Rubin (ESPN), Mar. 19).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The D-Backs and Mariners were often seen scouting Mets minor leaguers this past March. Insiders say the two sides had low-level talks before the start of the regular season, but the Mets were repeatedly asked to part with Noah Syndergaard, who they still have no interest in moving.

That said, I expect to hear some rumors next week connecting the Mets to Mariners shortstops Brad Miller and Nick Franklin, as well as Arizona shortstops Didi Gregorius and Chris Owings and the collection of young infielders piling up in Chicago. I doubt anything will happen and that talk will certainly continue this off season.




68 comments
Shawn R. Babcock
Shawn R. Babcock

Didi for Thor is nothing short of disrespectful. Laughable. I would have demanded an apology from ARZ for even proposing such crazyness if I was SA.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

IiF WE ARE GOING TO GET A NEW SHORTSTOP. Castro is probably the best option!

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

yeah, but nobody except Cano hits there. so i would not take that as gospel. i think half the lineup is way below career numbers.

nym68
nym68

I am constantly amazed at how Mets fans think that every GM in baseball is stupid enough to trade us their top talent for what we perceive as a bargain. It helps to understand how good some of these prospects are projected to be before playing fantasy GM, but most of you don't really follow the players on other teams that closely. Everything is "I might trade our guy for their guy, but only if they do this or that" People, in many cases their prospects are rated much higher than ours and unless they can get the Stanton's or Trout's of the world aren't trading their guys. 

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

Nick Ahmed with Arizona is the same size as Flores but is 1-1/2 years older. He's hitting .226 in the big leagues. He hit for the same average in AAA but with a lot less power and run production as Flores. His OPS is 100 pts lower than Flores. Why would me make any of these trades? Starlin Castro might be the only viable option but what would it cost us? If anything, I'd include Murphy for Castro and play Flores at 2B.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

Nick Franklin hit .128 for the Mariners!

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

I'd trade Thor, because I'm afraid he's injury prone. We'll pass on a good trade, have him get hurt next year, and never hear from him again

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

Brad Miller is hitting .205 for the Mariners!

Marc Singleton
Marc Singleton

Harvey, Thor, Wright, Niese, d'Arnaud, Nimmo (and throw in Duda for Angels to flip for a relief arm) for Trout!  


Dreaming, I know. 

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

You don't trade for a SS and give up chips when you can sign one in the off-season.  There are no FA bats...that's where you pool some chips together and get a legit power corner outfield bat.

spelletrader
spelletrader

Question: Seattle doesn't feel like Nick Franklin has the skills to play an adequate short stop, why would the Met pursue him to play short?

hankincolo
hankincolo

Time to play GM. Let's say you want one of the Cubs' Shortstops, which Mets pitcher would you give up? Ready, set, go!

gattsu
gattsu

This is the way I see it... Right now the only way to give Flores ABs is to start him at SS EVERY DAY (Unless they unload Murphy or Duda which is doubtful). However, management and Mets fans must realize that Flores IS NOT the long term answer at SS (of course I would love to be proven wrong). I wouldn't trade Flores either because 1) I want to see if his bat is as advertised and 2) He has no value right now anyway. As far as long term answers, I would love to get any of the Cub shortstops or Lindor from Cleveland (though he is probably not available). I'm not interested in the Seatlle or Arizona SS options, they seem like scrubs to me. My number one choice would be either Castro or Baez (i keep reading that his defense will not allow him to stay at SS, does anyone have additional info on this?). I would love Russell, but he's probably 2 years away at minimum. 

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

The only one on this list worth considering is Owings. None of the others are worth much. Owings is doing all right. If you're looking at any average shortstop already on your team, you're not looking at any of these guys. Can't trade a top notch pitching prospect for any of this bunch.


Let's see if Flores doesn't suck in the field and can keep hititng. Then, see what can be had to tide us over until someone comes up from the farm.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

At this point, I'm just fine with waiting on a trade. Wilmer Flores handled himself nicely in fielding the SS position. He has been ripping the ball at Las Vegas. Gregorius is the most likely trade objective. He is a year younger than Gregorius. His OPS at AAA is 100 pts higher than Gregorius. It's highly unlikely that the Mets will trade Murphy during this season so 2B is not an option for this year. If Tejada is going to miss any time due to the beaning, let's get Flores some consistent ABs and see what he does. I'd have to hear that Gregorius is a big upgrade over Flores in the field to make any trade involving our pitching prospects. Gregorius is hitting .232 in the big leagues with a HR only every 33 ABs and an RBI every 9 ABs.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Sure they should trade for a SS, but not if that means dealing two pitching and one catching prospect.  I like Owings and Gregorious, but let's not get silly now.

Greg Formeister
Greg Formeister

What would it take to get nick Ahmed from the D-Backs?

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

If the Cubs are open to trading Russell, Baez or Castro I'm not interested in the Marniers or D Backs shortstops, Cubs SS will cost more but open side worth it.

hankincolo
hankincolo

Interesting to note, Gary Cohen mentioned how there had been so much talk months earlier for the Mets to sign Drew or trade for Miller or Franklin and yet, none of them is hitting above .200 while Ruben is at .230

thwacker
thwacker

What about the Cubs?  I read they have 3 young good SS.

mets2891
mets2891

None of these crap SS options are worth Syndergaard.

Andrew Vazzano
Andrew Vazzano moderator

Who do you want to see the Mets trade for at SS? Or should they stick with Tejada? Or... Wilmer?

John G Oleon
John G Oleon

crazy comment when has he been injury prone?

lindro88
lindro88

Has he shown to be injury prone? Or is this just a theory. Was Harvey injury prone? He has a great pitchers build, and perfect mechanics, yet he blew out his elbow. It's a crap shoot.

nym68
nym68

@Marc Singleton Dreaming? more like nightmarin. As great as Trout is I'm pretty sure he can't play all nine positions at once

lindro88
lindro88

They won't. It's just a retread Matt throws in. Miller has sucked this year and they still haven't put Franklin in the lineup.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

The Cubs will hold their prospects until Stanton's status is finalized.In my mind they are the front runners to get him in a trade if Marlins decide to go that way.The Cubs could keep all their prospects another year if they had to.

gattsu
gattsu

@hankincolo I know he's not a SS but I would seriously consider trading Syndergaard straight up for Kris Bryant

lindro88
lindro88

Gregorius is a decent looking player.

lindro88
lindro88

I'd grab Castro in a minute. He's still real young and has shown he can play at an all star level

lindro88
lindro88

Drew is heating up. Don't forget how long he sat around

benmoz
benmoz

@Andrew Vazzano I see it this way: If they actually believe that they can contend, then they trade for a Castro, or whoever. But they will likely have to give up way too much at the deadline for someone like that, so they won't make the trade until the offseason at the earliest.


In that case we already know that Tejada is not a shortstop on a playoff team. This is not a team full of stars on offense, and we need an offensive upgrade at shortstop.


I say give Wilmer the rest of year to show you what he can do. At least then you can evaluate both of them at the MAJOR LEAGUE LEVEL. And if Flores shines, then all we need is a legit LF and we are solid. If he shows he can't field, can't hit well enough, whatever, he is still a good prospect and can be used in a trade.

mike23
mike23

@Andrew Vazzano Play Flores rest of season and lets see what he can/can't do, no shuffling in and out of lineup, let him play and than lets look elsewhere if he can't handle it after the season. Unless a great trade option comes along that justifies packaging wilmer in a trade etc..Tejada should backup SS/2b. 

nym68
nym68

@gattsu @hankincolo the Cubs would laugh at Sandy for suggesting this deal. I'm talking laughing hysterically type of laughter. Then they'd hang up on him so they could sit around Theo's office drinking and laughing for the duration of the night. You want Bryant...you start with Wheeler and Thor. Then you start adding pieces after that

David Lopez
David Lopez

Interesting thought. I don't envision the Cubs parting with Bryant. Epstein would probably move Baez instead of Bryant.

mets2891
mets2891

No, what's so great about Starlin Castro?

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Dilson Herrera could made Murphy available, (this offseason) he's done nothing but hit at AA, I check the Mets minor league box scores every day and he seems to get on base a couple times each game.

lindro88
lindro88

I'd take him or Hardy if they are available.

gattsu
gattsu

@nym68 @gattsu @hankincolo Wheeler and Thor is overpaying for him. At the end of the day Bryant is still an unproven prospect and Wheeler is a proven ML pitcher who has shown improvement. 

lindro88
lindro88

It's a moot point. They aren't trading Bryant.