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D-Backs have extra SS, want top C prospect or starting pitcher

The D-Backs have a surplus of young shortstops, but are looking for a young, big-league catcher or front-of-the-rotation starting pitcher in a deal, D-Backs GM Kevin Towers said (Piecoro, Feb. 27).

The Mets and D-Backs met during the Winter Meetings, but did not find any common ground (Rubin, Dec. 10).

“It’s been pretty quiet of late,” Towers said. “With Stephen Drew still out there right now, I haven’t had much trade discussions. … For us, it would have to be the right deal,”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Let’s be clear, Towers is talking about a Travis d’Arnaud or Noah Syndergaard, not a Kevin Plawecki or Jake deGrom.

Yes, Cliff Pennington is under contract through 2014, and they have Didi GregoriusChris Owings and Nick Ahmed, all of whom are top infield prospects, but they’ve had ample opportunities to make a deal this offseason and they haven’t. Arizona has said in public that they’re fine platooning these guys, and the competition between Gregorious and Owings is knee-deep in their spring camp, which is not the worst problem to have.




49 comments
metjetnet
metjetnet

Towers is a fool. He's the one with the problem. He's got a half dozen players with room for one. That automatically devalues his stock, which is what the rest of the teams understand, even if Towers tries to ignore it. He needs to get the best deal he can before all that great fruit rots on the vine. Now we know Sandy is smarter than at least one GM.

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

I would give them Palwicki but not Travis  yet

atlmetsfan
atlmetsfan

This is clearly not good news for Drew and Boras. Not only one team, but two, this week have declared they have shortstops available via trade. If Drew wants to play before July the chances of the Mets getting him are improving.  

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

DBacks aren't gettin Darno, Thor or Montero

Sergio p
Sergio p

I believe any of them are improvements to Rubin but non of them (maybe Owings) is a vast improvement.I would trade a low level guy for Owings, but not sure.Franklin looks good though. Be careful, we may be down a starting pitcher or 2 before the season even starts.

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

Bold, ridiculous idea that would never happen could be to attempt to do this. Trade Montero for Nick Franklin to play 2B. Trade Plawecki and/or deGrom for Owings. Move Murphy to 1B and either look to deal Davis/Duda. Or the more realistic element is make those two moves and look to deal Murphy for a pitching prospect to essentially replace Montero. Just a thought. 



Maury Feldman
Maury Feldman

Rafael Montero for Didi Gregorius?  Does this make sense for the Mets?  The D-Backs?

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

No way the Mets deal d'Arnaud. The other three are a different story. If Sandy can pull something off for either Owings or Franklin I would be impressed. It takes two to tango but I think something could get done.

jamets
jamets

Plawecki for Owings would be a fair deal.   Montero for Franklin would also be fair.  Even though Franklin is the better prospect, I would rather do the Owings deal and hold on to Montero.

And I wouldn't give up anything of value for Gregorius.  He may not even be an upgrade over Tejada.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Owings is the only one worth a good long look in discussing a top prospect exchange. The others aren't. Even with Owings, it isn't worth a top of rotation pitcher. Now, if I thought the Mets had any plan for a backstop, I'd discuss d'Arnaud for Owings.


On another matter, in all these discussions of Mets prospects, why the love affair with Jake DeGrom? I must be missing something but he's 25 and rather unremarkable. His numbers tell us he can strike people out, he doesn't walk too many, but he pitches to way too much contact and gives up far too many hits.

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

I'd give them d'arnaud.....he has a injury plagued history and he'll probably get hurt in the first week of the season, never to be heard from again.

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

I would rather pass on this deal and try to do a deGrom for Franklin(seattle) trade first. Owings is better than Franklin but would cost a lot more and Franklin is better than all the other options in Arizona. Owings isn't enough of an upgrade to justify paying what Arizona will want for him. Or just sign Drew and lets move on

drmetfan
drmetfan

The Mets are not in a position to start trading the few good prospects they have. You only do it if you know you are getting a can't miss player in return. If we can get Franklin for lets say DeGrom plus other low level prospects the. We make the deal. Otherwise sign Drew and call it a day.

Sean Grogan
Sean Grogan

Do you think it will be easier to get Franklin or one of these guys? We finally have some depth at pitching and if rather deal that then give away one of our catchers until we know d'Arnoud is the real deal

xplr
xplr

Now maybe you guys understand the value of good prospects. IMO, it would be foolish for the mets to trade any of their good young arms unless we are getting back real quality. I doubt Franklin qualifies.

Alec Rhodes
Alec Rhodes

I would do Montero for Gregorious straight up.

Gimo N Zana Istrefi
Gimo N Zana Istrefi

Kevin P is going to be a stud. I would trade Travis for the right deal.

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

@Bob Burket  If we'er getting Owings back I'd give them Montero in a heartbeat.. How many pitchers do we need? At this point we should be trading from our surplus of top pitching prospects to get some offense. You guys seem to all think we'll get a top SS for free. It doesn;t work that way

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

@Sergio p  Owings is the best SS of all of them. They're calling him little Tulo. His defense is average but not below average and he's got a plus bat. Also he could be a leadoff hitter as he'll steal 20 bags a year

Steve Gio
Steve Gio

If you are going to move Murphy off 2nd base better to just use Eric young jr there and also gain a leadoff man

jamets
jamets

@Jon Pace  I'm on board.  Not with Murphy at 1B, but with the rest of the plan.

We really only have 3B, C, and Granderson in one corner, set beyond this year.  It would be nice to add a couple of guys to the lineup who could be there long term.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Jon Pace  Yick. Any plan that has Murphy at 1b is terrible as his bat plays at 2b but is an atrocity at 1b. Owings isn't a good enough prospect in my eyes to trade Plawecki for and I doubt deGrom is enough to get an impact player.

Steve Gio
Steve Gio

It would be like selling low on Montero he will be more valuable next year

Paul Passadino
Paul Passadino

Did you people not read the article. He said plawecki or and de grom will not get deal done for one of the Arizona guys.

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

@rstpigeon  There are a lot of people who like not only Degrom's arm but his mental makeup and think that because of that he will have success on the Major League Roster. The impression I get from people who I hear talk/write about him is that he could be a Harvey or slightly better than Dillon Gee type player - NOT in Matt Harvey ability of course - but in the sense that he may be one of those players who are better in the Major Leagues than they were in the Minors. Seems like people even beyond the Mets organization say that/think that in writeups. 

jamets
jamets

@Haig Mathosian For who?  None of Arizona's shortstops are even top prospects. Certainly none are considered to be anywhere near as good as d'Aranaud.

jamets
jamets

Owings is in no way better than Franklin.  Franklin is by far the best prospect of the 3 and its not really close.

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

@drmetfan  Disagree with you Drmetfan. While I agree with you the Mets are in no position to deal the few good prospects they have for say a player over the age of 28, they ARE in a position to deal some of their few good prospects for another teams few good prospects. Nick Franklin has only 369 AB's in the Major Leagues. A year ago he was one of the top prospects in baseball. There is still a tremendous upside to acquiring a player like that. In other words players like Nick Franklin and the D'Back SS prospects are EXACTLY the type of players the Mets should be considering trading for. That is what makes them so appealing/intriguing to them. 

jamets
jamets

@drmetfan Drew isn't the answer, he is a band-aid for 1 or 2 seasons.  Then what?  Franklin or Owings could be long term starters.  That is something the Mets desperately need. Right now its Wright, d'Arnaud and 6 question marks.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@ifti99 ? Franklin was the #25 prospect in ALL of baseball prior to last year. What in your mind qualifies as quality?

jamets
jamets

@Alec Rhodes You're crazy.  Gregorius isn't good.  Solid glove, but no offense at all.  No power, no speed, low obp.  Not sure how he's even an upgrade over Tejada.

RockMarz
RockMarz

Only question i have to you .How did youknow he is going to be a stud?.Just wondering.

ac0814
ac0814

If Plawecki rakes this year in AA and then AAA, I would give d'Arnaud a 1b glove. Or, for the right price, include him in a trade. Only if it's for a Cargo or Stanton type.

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

@Paul Passadino  Thats what the author of the article is saying. Last time I checked neither you nor the author are inside Towers' head. At this point as a Mets fan I think Plawecki is looking better than d'Arnaud with less experience. 

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

@jamets @Haig Mathosian  Didi was a top 100 prospect last year, Owings is a top 80 prospect this year, Ahmed is just outside the top 100. I wish you guys would do research before commenting...

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

@jamets  Seriously? Owings is projected to have a Tulo-ish bat and be able to slug about 25 homers a year while hitting .270 and steal about 20 bags. Franklin K's every 3 ABs and is projected to hit about the same homers but with an average around .250-.260 and he has no speed. Who is the better prospect?

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

I don't get the dislike for Franklin.You are absolutely correct he is exactly what the Mets should be looking for.If they can live with his D at SS they have to push to get him.Everyone was begging for Peralta and Franklin is the same type player--good offence average Defense.I just don't get it.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@jamets @drmetfan I don't get the problem so many with signing Drew as a "band-aid" for 1 or 2 seasons. "Then what?" Well, by then the hope is someone withing the organization is ready to take over the job. Tovar, Herrera, Cecchini. This team has middle infield prospects, the problem is they're just a year or two away.

I'm not against getting Franklin for the right price, but before they trade the farm for him lets not forget there is a potentially reasonably priced free agent out there at the position, who could bridge the gap to internal options within the organization. And all they'd have to give up to get him is money and a 3rd round pick. Not any of their top 5 pitching prospects.

jamets
jamets

@ac0814 Neither one of them has any value as a 1B.  I'm not sold on Plawecki yet, so he's the one I would trade.  

I think d'Arnaud is going to be the guy the Mets build around for the next 10 years.

metstastic
metstastic

@jamets @Eddie_Dean @drmetfan  That and there will be plenty of free agent SS next offseason (and probably the trade deadline). Why not make a run for one of them and if all else fails make a trade.. but a band aid in Drew for 2 years is NOT and answer.

jamets
jamets

@Eddie_Dean @jamets@drmetfan  That's where we disagree.  I don't think the Mets have any infield prospects who are a year or 2 away.  

I don't consider Tovar a prospect at all - I don't think he will ever hit enough to start in the majors.  Herrera and Cecchini are both at least 3-4 years away.  And they're both still crap shoots at this point.  We don't know if Herrera can even play SS and we don't know if Cecchini can hit - he hasn't even played a full season yet.

I just don't think we are in a position to be bridging gaps yet.  We are still at the building block stage.   And Franklin and maybe Owings can be that kind of player.