Bobby Abreu

Curtis Granderson gets day off, Bobby Abreu is starting in RF

Bobby Abreu will start in right field and hit sixth during Thursday’s day-game against the Cardinals (Mets on Twitter, Apr. 24).

Curtis Granderson will get the day off, despite ending a career-long hitless streak with a single in the first inning Wednesday night.


10:28 am: Terry Collins said he wanted to get Abreu’s bat in lineup.

In his view, it will be wise to get Abreu at least one start a week to keep him fresh and ready for bigger at bats later in the season.

Collins said he is not concerned about having Abreu in the outfield on a day when Bartolo Colon is pitching.

“He is 40 years old, so I’m sure he doesn’t move as he used to,” Collins said of Abreu’s defensive abilities. However, “Colon is a groundball pitcher, so it just added up.”

Granderson wanted to play, but understands the decision by Collins to get him a day of rest.


10:11 am: Abreu’s last major league start was July 25, 2012, for the Dodgers.

Granderson is batting .125 with just one home run and five RBI.

“We work quite a bit together, every day,” said Mets hitting coach Dave Hudgens (NY Post, Apr. 24). “He’s great with his routine, and he’s an incredible worker. That’s why I’m confident he’ll come out of it.


According to columnist John Harper, the Mets may have been better off signing Shin-Soo Choo, who fit Sandy Alderson’s desired approach at the plate.

Choo signed a seven-year, $130 million deal with the Rangers, while Granderson signed a four-year, $60 million with the Mets >> Read more in the Daily News.




127 comments
rico
rico

bad day to put abreau in the OF…still windy like yesterday, going to be an adventure.


I'm certain they will put in a defensive replacement by the 7th inning

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

Of course Gandy is sitting after a positive step forward... TC is so dumb. But this is no surprise.

90wins
90wins

F*, I was going to watch the game just to check out how Grandy is swinging. What a disappointment.

sylow59
sylow59

We have beat the Cards 2 out of 3 and are a game over .500 after playing all but one playoff contender. We are 1/2 game behind WAS.  Yet everyone is complaining. 

SomeHighSchoolKid
SomeHighSchoolKid

Nobody ever talks about that dope trade of Angel Pagan for Andres Toress. Am I missing something, or was that trade a complete disaster?

metslaw
metslaw

If you want to get Abreu in wouldn't you replace a right bat against a right hander pitching that day so at least you get the advantage?

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Shin-Soo Choo .314BA 2HR 7RBI 10R .432OBP .500SLG 

Nelson Cruz .301BA 6HR 21RBI 14R .386OBP .602SLG 

Aaron Harang 3-1 0.85ERA 0.88WHIP .143BAA 33K 0HRA

Total 2014 cost $27.5M.


Curtis Granderson .125BA 1HR 5RBI 5R .238OBP .222SLG 

Chris Young .200BA 0HR 2RBI 1R .200OBP .240SLG 

Bartolo Colon 1-3 5.40ERA 1.48WHIP .315BAA 18K 6HRA

Total 2014 cost $32.25M


The Mets would also have had a bonafide leadoff man and not have to worry about somehow squeezing a 4th OF in EY into the lineup and a true cleamup hitter to protect David Wright neither of which they currently have. And they'd have saved $10M next year without Colon on the books meaning next season would only cost Choo's $18M as opposed to the $25M for Grandy and Colon. On top of the $5M saved this season that cuts down the total difference between the Grandy and Choo contracts to $55M spread over 7yrs.

zoddie
zoddie

@krayzie Grandy is a veteran.  He isn't lazy.  He doesn't need any fires lit underneath any parts of him.  Hell, he just had a hit :)

cbbruuno
cbbruuno

@sylow59  Seriously, what is wrong with people. They are doing better the expected and yet people can't stop complaining about absolutely everything

zoddie
zoddie

@samc Because that trade happened in 2011?  People talked about it.  It was a bad trade, but it wasn't like Pagan was well-liked around these parts.  People always whined about his low baseball IQ.


 

chasesimms
chasesimms

@Brian Webster Nicely done. But I'm confused.  Sandy is supposed to be a great GM, yet...these numbers are not making him look too smart at the moment. 

zoddie
zoddie

@Brian Webster Why aren't you adding Peralta and his .151/.244/.356 line to that list?  Didn't everyone want a replacement for Tejada and for the Mets not to cheap out?


How about Marlon Byrd?  You probably wanted to keep him, too, after his year last year.  Only $8m/year!  Way better than Chris Young!  2014 - .238/.274/.363.

Or it is April.  Calm down.

Ian Carvalho
Ian Carvalho

@Brian Webster  As long as Colon is pitching decently, he gets traded this summer anyway; so I wouldn't factor in next year's salary.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@zoddie Peralta was off the market almost immediately at he start of FA so the talk of signing him was nowhere near the amount as Choo and Cruz. The Peralta talk was immensely dwarfed by Drew being the guy for the Mets at SS and he isn't signed yet so there's no stats for him. As fas as Byrd those numbers along with his 2HR and 12RBI are still better than both Grandy and CY. And with the price saving between Byrd and Grandy maybe they would've signed Drew as well

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Ian Carvalho Except he isn't pitching decently. And who's to say the Mets don't have to pick up a least a portion of his salary if they even can trade him

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@shinjoooo @Brian Webster


Other FA notables that I recall people were clamoring for the Mets to sign:


Jhonny Peralta: .151 BA, 8RBI, .244 OBP

Bronson Arroyo: 1-2, 9.50 ERA, 2.00 WHIP

Mark Ellis: .125 BA, 0 HR, 3RBI, .250 OBP

Rafael Furcal: .167 BA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .167 OBP, .167 SLUG

Nate McClouth: .071 BA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .257 OBP, .137 SLUG


Two can play this game.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@shinjoooo @Brian Webster  I don't even think hindsight qualifies yet. It's not even a month into the season. Last April, Justin Upton lit the world on fire and did squat the rest of the year. 

Let's allow the year to play out (or at least get to July) before concluding those moves were definite wins and our moves were definite busts, shall we?

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@shinjoooo Harang was very good for the Mets at the end of last year and has a career track record of being so as well. With the biggest strength for the Mets being SP there was no need to invest that much money of their limited budget in an out of shape 40yr old SP on a multi yr deal. They overreacted to the Harvey injury.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@zoddie @sylow59 Harang doesn't have to come anywhere close to doing what he's doing for the 3 guys the Mets didn't sign to have been a better investment than the 3 guys they did. SP is not the issue with this team. They just needed a place holder till June or July which Harang certainly could've been for 1/20th the cost of Colon which could've went towards offsetting the price difference between Grandy and Choo or signing Drew.

zoddie
zoddie

@sylow59 @Brian Webster Size, I believe.  Small Sample Size.  The point stands, obviously, unless we think Harang is going to rewrite baseball's records this year.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@TheJMan @shinjoooo Actually it wouldn't have at all if they signed Choo and Cruz to go with it especially. I never understood spending big money on SP when that was your biggest strength despite the Harvey injury. They just needed a vet guy to hold the fort down and potentially shift to the BP when guys were ready to be called up in June or July

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Michael Frias @Jay Cross@shinjoooo I wrote my comment to this article because it's about Grandy and his struggles as well as the article saying the Mets should've signed Choo. Whether they happened to win or lose last night had no bearing on me.


So a life long diehard fan is not allowed to complain or bash the team when they are down? They are only supposed to look hard somehow for positive things to say or sit there in silence until the point if the team actually wins again? To me passion is passion and if you're upset and voicing your opinion than you obviously care about the team. To me someone who just checks out while the team is losing and then hops back on board if they start winning again shouldn't be able to reap the benefits

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Jay Cross @Michael Frias@shinjoooo Except that almost everyone outside of Sandy Alderson thought CY was a complete waste of money the second he was signed fo $7.25M. And there's more than just these 21 games to make you fear Grandy could become the next Jason Bay

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Jay Cross @Michael Frias@shinjoooo@Brian Webster


Same here.  But if you're gonna com on here and complain, even days after they won, why bother watching at all?


It's just so easy being a pessimistic fan.  Bash the team while they are down, and then reap all the benefits as a "life long die-hard" when they finally win.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@Michael Frias @Jay Cross @shinjoooo @Brian Webster  Agreed. Now, let's be clear: if my life depended on it, I would still bet on the Mets finishing at or below .500 for the year, which blows. 

But that's different than believing Granderson is the next Jason Bay after 21 games. Or that Chris Young was an absolute waste of money. 

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Jay Cross @Michael Frias@shinjoooo@Brian Webster It's an understandable reaction, as these 21 games is all we have to make our arguments about... so far...


But saying the sky is falling 21 games into a 162 game season is like saying a team has no chance of winning a 7 game playoff series after losing game 1.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@Michael Frias @shinjoooo @Brian Webster  Precisely. And those moves could turn out to be amazing, just like the current April superstars could turn out to be busts.

It's just too early to tell either way, and the knee-jerk pessimism about our free agents has way more to do with our "everything goes wrong" team narrative than the objective potential of these players. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Michael Frias @shinjoooo Choo and Cruz were the 2 biggest names talked about for the Mets to sign in the offseason (along with Drew who still hasn't signed so there's no stats yet). Plus they were perfect fits for their 2 top needs leadoff and clean up. And if they signed both they'd obviously have to go cheap on SP which would've been smart anyway given it's their strength and Harang was here last season and pitched well so it's not quite the same as the guy's you listed

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Ian Carvalho @hashburry@shinjoooo My post wasn't meant as a shot at Colon. He was the smallest part of the point. The biggest problem is the offense and not signing Colon and going cheap with Harang was just meant as a better relocation of spending. With the Mets limited budget it didn't make sense to allocate that much of it to SP which is by far their biggest strength. Especially when a guy like Harang who was here and pitched well fit what they needed in a vet placeholder in the rotation till the kids come up in June or July. Most seem to be missing my point making it out like I think Harang is going to win the Cy Young and Colon is going to have a 10ERA. Saying the Mets should've signed Harang instead of Colon is purely a money issue to clear room to sign Choo and Cruz instead of Grandy and CY. If I thought the Mets could've done that with signing Colon I'd have been fine with that but they clearly couldn't. I don't think Harang will be this good the whole year but with the Mets situation he wouldn't have to be. At worst they just needed someone to keep a rotation spot warm till they were ready to bring up 1 of the kids to the bigs and he clearly could've done that at a miniscule fraction of the cost.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@hashburry @shinjoooo True he's pitched much better than Colon to start the year. But my point with Harang who would've been a resigning since he was here at the end of last season and pitched well was that he was cheap to offset the price difference in signing Choo instead of Grandy but still fit there needs in a vet placeholder till the kids can come up in June or July and then transition to the BP, be traded or released/optioned to AAA. Colon on the other hand can only be traded and he has to be healthy and pitching well for the Mets to be able to do that and they may have to pick up some of the money. Kazmir would be similar though better than Colon in that regard as it's a 1 yr deal and he's lefty so more valuable in the pen despite his high salary and he has pitched from the BP before.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@sylow59 @shinjoooo Even if Harang was matching his ERA from last season with the Mets or Colon's ERA with the Mets this year they'd still be so much better off. Then take Harang's performance this year off the division leading Braves on top as well

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Chris Lyons And if they added any offense that was producing they'd actually have a record commensurate to that SP ERA

sylow59
sylow59

@Brian Webster @shinjoooo

2013 (at age 35):

SEA      22 G      120 IP       5.76 ERA

NYM       4 G        23 IP       3.52 ERA

It is fairly safe to assume nobody on the planet saw his EARL 2014 happening.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Ian Carvalho @shinjoooo Wow they're a game over .500 and will be back down to .500 after today! Lets throw them a parade! I guess you'll agree with me then when they go completely in the tank June-August like they have every year recently

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Ian Carvalho @shinjoooo They got ripped apart by fans and the media anyway. And signing Choo and Cruz certainly would've offset going cheap on SP when that was their teams strength and their biggest needs were offense mainly leadoff and clean up and the filled both. It's hard to call a team cheap that spends $130M on Choo as that alone is more than they spent this entire offseason. And they certainly wouldn't being ripped apart right now. They'd be currently being lauded for their genius.

Chris Lyons
Chris Lyons

Their starters have a 1.91 ERA in their last 10 games!! How are you complaining? Just shutup

Ian Carvalho
Ian Carvalho

@Brian Webster @shinjoooo  If they signed Harang instead of Colon, they would have been ripped apart by fans and media for not spending money. let it play out - too early still to judge any of the signings above. They are playing better than anyone expected - when they start losing, then we can question the decision making.