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Cubs, like Rockies, were scouting Noah Syndergaard

The Cubs had two scouts watching Noah Syndergaard‘s start Thursday for Triple-A Las Vegas, according to columnist Andy Martino (Daily News, Aug. 8).

In late July, the Rockies also sent a sizable contingent to watch Syndergaard in Vegas (NY Post, July 31).

Syndergaard had dominated in his last four starts. However, last night in Vegas, he was tagged for four runs, let up seven hits, tossed 102 pitches in five innings and only struck out four batters.

“He’s got the arm, that’s for sure, (but) based on this, he’s not quite ready,” a scout in attendance Thursday told Martino.



In a deal for SS Troy Tulowitzki or OF Carlos Gonzalez, the Rockies are looking to acquire the best young, power pitching possible and feel they match up best with the Mets and Cardinals (Cerrone, July 29).


The Cubs have two shortstops among the best seven prospects in baseball, according to a recent list by MLB.com; and their big-league shortstop, Starlin Castro, is hitting .278 with 11 HR and again made the All-Star team this year at just 24 years old.




162 comments
Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Met fans never want to trade someone good to get someone good back. I guarantee we will see trade proposals which will consist of 4 or 5 of our crappiest players for someone's stud player. Sorry but Den Decker, Tejada, Satin and Dice K isn't enough for Tulo. Its going to take a stud like Wheeler or Syndergaard.

Chow Nima
Chow Nima

i wouldn't trade either thor wheeler degrom or matz, for baez, if they want montero or niese then fine, also should we put baez in the hall of fame after 3 games.

ponzies86
ponzies86

I think the Cubs would bite on Wheeler for Baez or even Thor. Baez looks like he's going to be a stud in the future 

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

Vote: Terry Collins Job Approval Rating Thank you for voting! Total Votes: 3,823

ALMOST 70% BAD JOB! They should ask who suggested replacements would be if you vote BAD.  WALLY.

Brett Fox
Brett Fox

Too bad that Baez is probably untouchable now

hashburry
hashburry

Based on one bad outing, a scout says he's not ready? OK, maybe, but if one of the SSs in the Chicago system goes 0 for 4, do you dismiss his talent and not make a trade?  Not even sure what any of this means.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

I constantly hear that bad teams lose close games. 

History shows that AVERAGE inexperienced teams lose close games. The Mets are at the top of MLB in loses by 1 or 2 runs. The pessimists just say bad teams lose close games. I choose to be optimistic because I look at next years pitching with Harvey, Parnell and Hefner back and full years from Jake, Meija and JF and I know pitching will be better. Not even considering THor possibility. 

I expect further development and better offense years from JLAG, DUDA and TDA.

I expect that DW is somewhat hurt and will be better than recent production. 

Curtis and Murphy will be about the same. 

Currently a platoon of Soup and Kirk are better than what Cy and EY gave us. 

Ruben will be the same or better and he may be kept as back-up infielder. 

The point is that these close losses mean that WE ARE GETTING CLOSE. Covert 10 close loses into 10 wins and we are battling for first. How many games have been lost because of 1 timely hit this year? Dozens.


As we win more games next year there should be more people showing up and HOPEFULLY that money is put back into the team to acquire a big bat in a trade where we are assuming contract. Lets face it getting a big bat that wants to come to Citi is a tough sell.You're more likely to get that bat via trade.


The point is the near future does look brighter and games like yesterday's 13 inning loss will become wins. 

I'm a senior citizen and if I can wait and be patient and be positive you young people can too. 

Normally in business you need to spend money to make money BUT the Mets unfortunately for fans are making money now and will not spend more until attendance picks up. Fortunately that should happen as they get better--just hope that money goes back into the team.


 If you are optimistic give me a LIKE.


 



theglider
theglider

All the trade talk. Just keep the rotation for next year as Harvey, Wheeler, DeGrom and Syndegaard. Trade any other pitchers but keep those four.

Next year we add a shortstop. Even with our left field situation iffy I'd pity any team that has to face that rotation and a bullpen that has added Parnell.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Remember when Starlin Castro looked like he was on pace for a .300/25/120 season, and everybody on here wanted to trade Wheeler and Syndergaard to get him......?

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Hopefully Marlins Dan Jennings is alright after taking a 101mhp linedrive off his head yesterday..scary.

tk2120
tk2120

1) can we stop with Baez, the kid has played for a week.

2) the only Cubs prospect i'd want is Kris Bryant, but he's a 3B.. talk about moving him to the OF though because the Cubs have Castro, Russell, Baez, Alcantara already... 

3) you don't trade a prospect for a prospect, you trade Syndegaard for someone proven

4) i don't trust Theo... He will rob us blind lol

5) sign Melky in the offseason & make this deal for Tulo.....done.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

I want to see Flores at ss for the rest of the year and KIRK and Soup platoon in LF.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

Baez hit 2 more HR's last night. I hate trading young pitching but would do THOR for Baez. IF we had the money and could fill the ss and LF hole with cash and not give up young pitching that is what I'd prefer.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@ponzies86 Stud now! LOL

Do you think the Cubs would value THOR or Wheeler more?  

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@Brett Fox THOR for BAEZ-- Would you do it? 

Wheeler for Baez--Would you do it?


Who do you value more: Wheeler or Thor?

hashburry
hashburry

@2ndhalffun Well, with all that optimism, maybe the Mets can finish third, or even second and just a few games out of the playoffs next year!

dooley
dooley

U running for office or something?

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@sjm25 Even if they do they'll complain if its only one. Some fans actually knock the 86' team for only winning one World Series. Lol. How many team would love to win "just one World Series."

hashburry
hashburry

@sjm25 What's your point?  Maybe they should give participation trophies to the Met payers.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@sjm25 ??? You really don't think where they are now (and where they have been for years) and winning a WS is just 1 degree of separation?

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@sjm25 No one is crying. We are just all talking about ways to improve on a tight budget. Even if you win WS you still look to improve. Mets fans are no different than any other teams fan.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@theglider I agree Harvey, and Degrom are untouchable unless we are talking Stanton. 

But I would trade Thor OR Wheeler for Baez. Baez is projected to be a star by every scout and of course is at MLB minimum. Eventually Baez and Herrara may be the best Defense/Offense combo ss/2b in MLB. 

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@theglider Pretty much agreed. The only caveat I'd throw in is in the unlikely event that the Marlins make Stanton available, I wouldn't let 1 (or maybe even 2) of those guys hold up the deal. But for all these other names getting mentioned, like Castro, Tulo, and especially CarGo, I personally wouldn't move any of those guys for any of them.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@Eddie_Dean  Eddie he still is at 275 with 11 HR and good RBI production and good glove. He would be an upgrade over Ruben. The question is what are you willing to give up for Castro? I'm not giving up Thor or Wheeler for Castro. I'd give Thor for Baez.  

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@tk2120  I will take my chances on Baez as an unproven MLB prospect. All scouts rave about him offense and defense. You know the Mets will not assume $100 million Tulo contract for a ss over 30 that is injury prone and you need to give up THor and TDA. Not happening!!!!  Theo will rob you blind ONLY if you let him. Sandy has shown to be better than that.

James T. O'Brien
James T. O'Brien

@2ndhalffun I looked at the players who would be free agents this winter.  I didn't see anyone particularly exciting for the outfield.  I like the idea of going for Hanley, though he is not the Hanley of old.  I wouldn't go for him, however, unless we have a protected first round pick.  With Houston botching it's No. 1 this year, the Mets will have to finish with the 9th worst record or worse.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@hashburry @2ndhalffun  It may be that next year they first have to just miss. 1984--1985-1986 type of progression. Enjoy the progress. Build the team for the LONG RUN. 

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@dooley Why I can't be optimistic? What did I say that you disagree with?

theglider
theglider

See about getting Castro. He's young, a solid fielder and has hit at Citifield. We might be able to get him for pitching and a few others. But giving up one if out top pitchers isn't worth it. They're more valuable than a potential upgrade.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@2ndhalffun @theglider The other thing with Baez is, is he really a SS anyway? All I've heard about him, especially since the Russell trade, is that the Cubs are considering moving him to 2nd or 3rd.

theglider
theglider

Perhaps he'll be good. But he's been up a week. When pitchers learn more about him his hitting might vanish.

Pitching is different. 96 with movement translates at every level. I'd rather keep our 4, have a possible win out there every time, and find good bats. This team has won with weak hitting and great fielding. No need to trade away pitching.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@2ndhalffun @Eddie_Dean I disagree he has a good glove. There's a lot of talk that the Cubs are going to move him off SS if they hold onto him for a reason. He does have good production for a SS, but that's mostly b/c the position is so watered down. Being an upgrade over Ruben Tejada offensively is not an accomplishment. If the Cubs were willing to give him up w/o the Mets having to send back one of their top pitchers or top pitching prospects (and to me that's Wheeler, DeGrom, Syndergaard, or Harvey right now) then I'd be interested. But for one of those guys? No thanks, they can keep him and move him to 2B when Russell comes up if they want.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@James T. O'Brien @2ndhalffun Hanley can hit, I will give him that. His defense although is on the bottom of all SS. We already have Murphy as a less than average defensive 2B, a poor SS would make the Mets just horrible up the middle. Poor defense with great young pitching could be a disaster. Hanley's offensive will not make up for this.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@James T. O'Brien @2ndhalffun Mets are right there about 9th worse. No I would not do Hanley. I'd go Thor for Baez. If you wanted to give me Castro for Thor I want more in return from Cubs.

I would do Marlon Byrd for 2 year contract while you wait on Conforto. Byrd is cheap and great right hand power to team up in middle with DUDA and Curtis being lefty. 

dooley
dooley

No, it's always good to be optimistic. It's just the last sentence sounded like fishing for votes

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@theglider cubs will not trade CAstro unless they get a guy that you are not willing to give up. Cubs want a Wheeler or DeGrom or THOR. 

happyrecap
happyrecap

@theglider "You can never have too much pitching" - isn't that the say the saying goes? I've always said there's not reason to trade off any of our pitching until we have "an embarrassment of riches" and I'm not sure we're there just yet.


Still, if Stanton became available or if Baez appears to be the real deal, then I think we find a way to get it done.

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

Remember Tuffy Rhodes on the Cubs back in the day.Harry was putting him in the hall on his first game against Doc.He was like Lastings Millege.They see tape on these guys.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@Eddie_Dean @2ndhalffun Cubs are not moving Castro unless they get Wheeler, DeGrom or Thor. What is your next move for ss? Give Flores the opportunity to prove himself? Let Matt Reynolds continue to develop? Which way would you go? 

James T. O'Brien
James T. O'Brien

@Mike Herrington @James T. O'Brien @2ndhalffun I didn't realize Hanley had declined so much defensively.  If that's the case, then I wouldn't sign him, either, especially because he'll be expensive.  Given the Wilpon's financial situation, expensive free agents are an unaffordable luxury.  They need to conserve money to pay for all this stud pitching in a few years.  Harvey, et al. aren't going to come cheap once they reach arbitration.


dooley
dooley

Nonetheless, you get a like from me

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@2ndhalffun @Eddie_Dean Neither. Sign JJ Hardy in the offseason. All it would cost is money.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@sjm25 He is a good short term fix until Conforto or Nimmo is ready. His numbers on the road are fine. You do not have to give up a lot of money or talent to get him. What would you do in LF considering you have COnforto and Nimmo coming? Platoon SOUP & KIRK? 

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@dooley LOL --Its not like I'm getting paid for LIKES!!! LOL I just was curious to see what the temperature forecast of the Mets fans was out there. 

Unfortunately I think the young " participant trophy generation fans" are the ones that complain the most.

theglider
theglider

If they want more then we move on to someone else.

Pitching is far to valuable. There are eight position players but only one pitcher. Keep the arm and look elsewhere for the bat if teams want us to give up too much.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Pete Brilvitch @James T. O'Brien @2ndhalffun Oh, that's good. I'm glad they changed that rule, b/c that really pissed me off. Not that I was dieing for them to sign Jason Bourn (who was the guy everyone pretty much agreed they didn't go after b/c that stupid rule), but just b/c it annoyed me that they get pushed out of protected status because some other team a whole year before chose not to sign their top draft pick. Basically they got penalized for the Pirates or Cubs or whoever it was being cheap. It's bad enough we get penalized for our own owners being cheap, I don't need to see the team suffer because of the rest of the misers in the league as well.

James T. O'Brien
James T. O'Brien

@Pete Brilvitch @James T. O'Brien @2ndhalffun Thanks, Pete.  I had missed that story (or maybe forgot I'd read it, the older I get the more I can't be sure anymore!)  I also see I got some of the details wrong, but I'm glad to see the MLB saw the injustice of it and rectified the situation.  I appreciate you for finding the link.  

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Pete Brilvitch @Eddie_Dean @James T. O'Brien @2ndhalffun That's a good point. Although with this management team and ownership, I have to wonder if they'd of signed Bourn even then, or if that pick was just a convenient excuse not to spend the money....