Cubs and D-Backs will keep evaluating, wait to deal young hitters

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The D-Backs and Cubs are unlikely to deal a young infielder this summer, friends with both teams told me this past weekend. Instead, both organizations will continue to evaluate their collection of shortstops, second and third basemen, and work to acquire under-contract, major-league ready, young, starting pitching this winter.

For instance, from the Mets, the Cubs are going to press for Zack Wheeler, Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard. The D-Backs will do the same, plus have been scouting Travis d’Arnaud and Kevin Plawecki since this past spring.

The D-Backs may move OF Gerrardo Parra, who the Mets could have interest in, but guys infielders, such as Chris Owings, Didi Gregorius and Nick Ahmed, are more likely to part of an offseason package than an in-season scramble. The Cubs, of course, have Anthony Rizzo, Starlin Castro, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Javier Baez, Arismendy Alcantara and more…


MLB: Chicago Cubs at Philadelphia Phillies


Yes, I’m sure if a team wants to overpay, Chicago or Arizona would make a deal. But, Sandy Alderson seems to be a guy who loves to come away in a trade with more than people expected, so I can’t see him paying this type of price now, especially given the pitchers mentioned above. Instead, as the Cubs and D-Backs evaluate their players, I’m sure the Mets and others will be watching them as well… so they can all talk again in four months.

The Mets have one of best – if not the best – young pitching staffs in baseball. There is a deal to be made with the Cubs and D-Backs, but I don’t expect either team to make a move just for the sake of doing something. It’s going to take work to find a match. The type of work typically done in the off-season.




69 comments
Andrew Oci
Andrew Oci

Ill deal syndy in the right deal......i dont want tulo or cargo......i like goldy stanton castro rizzo

Karl Leopold
Karl Leopold

Wondering why AZ would be interested in either of our catchers? they have Miguel Montero signed through 2017.  Who is more than a solid catcher and hitter (yes he had a down year in 2013).  


If you are dealing with AZ i say go for it and ask for Golschmidt

CocoaBeachnut
CocoaBeachnut

Not one of those SS prospects is worth any of our young pitching talent. Those SS's are not blocked at MLB level - they're just not that good. Our pitching talent, on the other hand, is exceptional. Any teams that want our guys should have to pay a very steep price. 

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

Looking over many metrics including WAR ratings, Mets are about average or below at every position. Where could they improve for next season without trading.


C- D'Arnaud is at the bottom of MLB catchers but has great potential. Shall be better next season. Plawecki is there if he fails.

1B- Duda is coming into his own. Need a solid right handed batter to platoon as Duda needs one.

2B- Murphy can hit and well known defensive liability. Needs a strong defensive SS or the Mets are weak up the middle. Not sure he can do much better then this season.

3B- Wright is having an off season so far. We can hope this is a fluke and he comes back next season.

SS- Tejeda Doing well in the field but will never be much with the bat. this is the best you will see from him. Overall among the players talked about in trade, Tulo is the only one worth picking up as it would be a major upgrade. Owings is an upgrade but at what cost? Castro sucks at defense, no.  

LF- Complete and utter mess. We need a corner OF. Number 1 thru number 10 priority. Could move Granderson to LF and acquire a RF.

CF- Lagares has been very solid. Maybe improve his bat some, maybe some power? Young kid still learning.

RF- Granderson is just average in his production overall. I believe he has a better year in him next season. Maybe better hitters around him would help. Weak arm, see him in LF.


In the end a really good solid corner OF bat would help the team greatly. Maybe that bat would help those other Mets batters around him. I see many Mets hitters that could do better either from past years stats or potential. Is Parra that guy, no no no. Rizzo what for? Whatever you do Sandy don't weaken the defensive behind those great young pitchers, if anything make it better.

hashburry
hashburry

Until Harvey comes back Healthy, it is a stretch to say the Mets have the best young staff in baseball.

knucky
knucky

What is everyone's obsession with Tulowitzki?  The guy's average is 60 points(!) at Coors Field than on the road and he's hit twice as many HRs at home. And it's not just a fluke. His home average was 60 points higher last year too.  So if he had to play half the year at Citi Field he'd probably be a .280/20/80 guy.  Is that good enough to give up our best pitching prospects AND pay him $118 million??  Never mind the fact that he has a bum leg and will be 30 on opening day next year.

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

This is what makes me nuts. The Mets have 3 or 4 GM's counting Alderson, Ricco, Ricciardi and De Podesta. I don't want to hear about work that needs to be done in the offseason. Alderson's job is to help the team win on a daily basis, not get around to making a trade when he feels like he can get around to it. I don't want him to rush into a bad deal, but at this point the team should have a list of targets and have a pretty good idea of the kind of players they are. Why wait until the offseason when you can help the team now?



Dennis McShea
Dennis McShea

Don't want Tulo either. I would look into the possibility of dealing with the Dodgers and see what it would take to get Kemp and Dee Gordon.

mets2891
mets2891

The Mets are at a point where they can't make a move for a player they HOPE turns out a star.

Dennis McShea
Dennis McShea

By no means do i want any of the shortstops from Arizona..Either player has thus far impressed me any to want to trade one or two of my pitching studs for them. I would venture into Chicago looking to trade for one of their shortstops.

Manny Rodriguez
Manny Rodriguez

I trade D' Arnaud, And deGrom for Kris Bryant in a Heartbeat!, Thay guy will be an all star for sure. 

joe21
joe21

if the Mets are going to match with Cubs and give up crown jewels, the player I would want the most would be Kris Bryant for LF. not sure if he is untouchable (may very well be) but he will be in the Bigs next year and the Cub plan is considering a move for him to LF as he is considered and exceptional athlete who could even play CF. that Stick would definitely play and may reduce the profile of starter we would have to give up. unfortunately, I think he is untouchable, but if I had my choice of baby Cubs, he would be it. he is almost sure fire bopper and will be playing full time in the ML next year, so I would love to see him out in LF, which is where he is projected to move because of IF logjam in Chitown

BronsonSNY
BronsonSNY

None of these moves are necessary unless you give whats in your system a chance. Callup Puello and Vaugh, who have looked great in MLB spring training games, a go. Promote Muno and Reynolds and see what they got. Move Herrera up to AAA and stop letting him languish in AA if he's murdering pitching. THere are many ways to approach the SS and OF positions if we are proactive from within instead worrying about options outside the organization that will topple our assets.

Kurt Carson
Kurt Carson

Has anyone ever wondered who Matt's random friends are that give him inside scoops? It's always "a friend familiar with the _____ thinking." Ha

tullydew
tullydew

Tulo is a franchise changer, can't same the same for the SS prospects for AZ or the Cubs.

Tulo or bust

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

@CocoaBeachnut Cubs three infielders Bryant(#4), Baez (#6), and Russell(#7)  who are all top MLB prospects. I'd trade Syndergaard (#13) for any of them. But if I were the Cubs I'd keep them all, and with Rizzo could have a very good to great young infield.

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

@knucky Yes, it probably is worth it. We have a lot of pitchers and a pathetic offense. At this point if they could give up only one pitcher to get a proven major leaguer it's an absolute no-brainer. 

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Steven Molello  You're assuming that there's a lot of guys available right now that can help the Mets this year and beyond. They may not be available until the offseason.

zoddie
zoddie

@Dennis McShea  It would take nothing to get Kemp.  If we took his salary, the Dodgers would give him to us for nothing.  He's not a good player anymore, has injury problems, and will be in his 30s.

Dee Gordon is having a nice season but do the Dodgers have a reason to deal him?  They have pushing him from the minors

joe21
joe21

@mets2891  they also may not be able to trade for a star who they HOPE will stay healthy. I saw an article last week where Tulo already has admitted that he will likely not be able to play a full season for the rest of his career after his quad tear in 2009, so that trade would have to be made kind of expecting only about 130 games a year out of him and hope that he doesn't face any season missing injuries. given payroll constraints, a $20M player missing a whole season could be a real setback. not sold on Cargo if it takes a bundle of talent to get him.

joe21
joe21

@Dennis McShea  agreed, but if the bopper comes from LF, that alleviates pressure to have an all star SS. that doesn't mean settling for Ruben, but may not require selling off crown jewels to fill that spot.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@BronsonSNY Puello and Vaughn have not even been good in Vegas where hitters get a big boost in performance. Muno? Really? He's not lighting the world on fire either. And he's not really a SS so where do you want him to play? Herrera languishing in AA? He's like 19 and just got called up to AA like a month ago and is already the youngest player at that level. 

zoddie
zoddie

@BronsonSNY  In order,

1. Puello is having an awful year in the best hitters park and league in baseball.  He is hitting .240/.340/.360.  He is not ready for a promotion.

2. Cory Vaughn may be even worse this season.  Batted .190 in AA, got PROMOTED and is hitting .233 in Vegas.  He is not ready for a promotion.

3. Dilson Herrera is not "languishing" in AA.  He started the year in A+ and has already been promoted once this year.  He is the youngest player in AA right now and has only been there for a month.  That's not languishing.

4. Muno and Reynolds may turn out to be nice utility IFers, but where are they playing right now?  Are you saying you want to see them instead of Wilmer Flores?  I don't.


You're also forgetting about the 25-man roster.  Which four players are we demoting or taking off the 40-man to promote Puello, Vaughn, Muno, and Reynolds (but not Kirk or Matt den Dekker or Andrew Brown)?

joe21
joe21

@BronsonSNY  Vaughn is a long shot and Reynolds might be pushing too soon, but I am a big supporter of Muno and Puello. Muno has to be added to 40 man, but will have to anyways for Rule 5 protection

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@tullydew Jeff Passen (yahoo sports) put on twitter that he believes that Syndergaard, Plawecki, Montero, and a midlevel prospect get the job done and the mets are willing to make that trade. 


But Rockies aren't willing to trade Tulo until "they hear it from him" that he wants to be moved

ken1010
ken1010

@joe21 @mets2891

The closest to a sure thing is Goldschmidt.  If we're going to give away multiple high-ceiling pitchers, I'd be willing to pay do that for him.

joe21
joe21

@zoddie @Manny Rodriguez  he is playing 3B right now, but the scout thinking is that he moves to LF because of IF glut and his athletic ability. some think he can even play CF, but the plan is to move him to the outfield if the Cubs don't trade off all of their IF pieces

BronsonSNY
BronsonSNY

@zoddie @BronsonSNY At the end of the day, you don't know if you don't see them with the big club. We can talk about Puello and Vaughns troubles now but if they get a chance, how do you know they won't produce? How do you know that maybe they see the writing on the wall that management aren't interested in having them on the big club and they feel stuck? And it is languishing when someone like Herrera is killing AA pitching. period.

joe21
joe21

@zoddie @BronsonSNY 

1. Puello has not continue last year for sure, but is hitting over .300 and OPS of over .900 since coming off DL in June, despite sharing time with Serratelli

2. Don't think Vaughn should come up at all

3. Herrara is progressing nicely, no need to push and risk a struggle, so keep him where he is at.

4. Muno/Reynolds are UI for sure, just would like to see how they fare against ML pitching

5. Sept call ups, so no issue with 25 man roster and Puello is already on 40 man and they will likely move Muno there to protect from Rule 5


so only suggesting that Puello, Muno, Kirk and MDD come up when rosters expand in Sept, so the only 40 man spot that would need to be cleared would be for Muno and I think Abreu could be DFA. not sure if any of these players can contribute, but since the Mets are not going to the playoffs this year, I think it makes sense to use Sept for internal evaluations.

BronsonSNY
BronsonSNY

@joe21 @BronsonSNY We wouldn't know what Vaughn can bring if we don't give him a shot. That's all I'm saying. I remember hearing how Vaughn and Puello weren't MLB players, yet when they played in spring training games, they looked good with explosive bats. Can you imagine if the Mets brought up guys with those type of lively bats where the team could be now and in the future? You don't know if you don't find out. 

joe21
joe21

@jimm120 @BronsonSNY  I like this idea a lot. Abreu shelf life is over and CY is blocking, so I would love to see Kirk/Puello platoon in LF and MDD and Jlag platoon in CF. not crazy about platoons, but they sure worked in 86 with Mookie/Dykstra and Teufel/Backman.


all of those you suggested for call up (Kirk, MDD and Puello) all have three things in common: 1. above average defenders; 2. speed; and 3. a little pop.


cant understand why the Mets would interfere with the possibility of finding internal solutions by continuing to give ABs to CY and Abreu

tullydew
tullydew

Everything in this world is for sale. If the right package was offered for Tulo he will be traded.

joe21
joe21

@BronsonSNY @joe21  I am all for trying any internal options, just saying that Vaughn has never really had a break out season and his peripherals have always been shaky. Puello has not distinguished himself either, but he is hitting over .320 and OPS over .900 since coming off DL in June, but keeps getting blocked by Serratelli, which I cannot understand. neither has really earned call up, but I prefer to try out young talent in hopes of catching luck than running CY out there

Wills G
Wills G

@joe21 How could you even mention 1986 in reference to 'platoons'?  The '86 team had bonafide stars at other positions.  This Mets team does not.  We need everyday players that can make an impact.  Forget platooning young players.

joe21
joe21

@zoddie @joe21 @Manny Rodriguez  not really, which is why I suggested that he is untouchable, only that if I had my choice, it would be Bryant, but probably not happening

anymos
anymos

@Wills G @joe21 Especially young players like Puello who haven't done anything to earn a call up.  Great ABs in spring training?  Seriously?  I think the fact he's regressed tremendously and is hitting .240 with no power in a hitters park should factor a little more in that decision.  And Wally, whom everyone loves so much, took him out of the starting lineup. And what does stagnating mean anyway?  he thinks he's so fantastic, that he's got such a great track record, that he could stop working and coast?  I have an idea- if you're bored in Vegas and want to get to the Mets, hit the damn ball.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Cubs will not trade any of their assets until the Stanton situation is settled in Miami. They can hold them all for another season then use them to get Stanton.They are in the best position in baseball to give the Marlins what they would want for Stanton. Remember Miami already has good young pitching and will be looking to fill out their infield and the Cubs have the pieces.

baldy
baldy

@Ed Yano Why would a team stacked with offensive prospects want to trade for Stanton?  Wouldn't dealing with a team stacked with pitching prospects, e.g. the Mets, make more sense?

anymos
anymos

@BronsonSNY @anymos They've had a bunch of those guys moving up and down due to injury- if any of them took the full advantage of the chance, they'd still be here.  Kirk did what Kirk always does- looked food for a few weeks before he started waving at breaking balls.  Den Dekker looked completely overmatched.  Wilmer looks overmatched and lacks a true position.  Brown was a right handed bat off the bench before he fell off.  And my comment was specifically to calling Puello up.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

@baldy,because Stanton is not a prospect,he is an MVP candidate every year.You can't seriously say a team should pass on Stanton, who has done it in the major leagues because they have minor leaguers who might do it.If the Mets were willing to give them Stanton type talented pitchers I'm sure they would deal with them, but the Mets don't have anyone like that.They have some that could become that maybe but nobody like that now.

anymos
anymos

@BronsonSNY @anymos In spite of what I just pointed out about some of these guys getting chances, I wouldn't mind if Kirk was a lefty bat on the bench for us instead of Abreu. Though Abreu will typically give you a better quality AB, he's been terrible as a pinch hitter, has less pop, and can't field. I think Kirk is more useful in that regard, but they would rather he still get consistent ABs at this point instead of being relegated to a bench role on the big league club.