Mazzoni

Cory Mazzoni may be a candidate for the bullpen

The Mets may consider converting minor-league RHP Cory Mazzoni into a relief pitcher in Spring Training, which should give him a chance to make the Opening Day roster (Rubin, Dec. 16).

Mazzoni, 24, was 4-3 with a 4.45 ERA in 12 starts for Double-A Binghamton last year, during which he struck out 73 batters and walked 19 in 64 2/3 innings pitched.

He was drafted in the second round in 2011, and was ranked the team’s 15th-best prospect by MLB.com entering the 2013 season.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Mazzoni’s FIP is a full run lower than his ERA, so he’s probably a slightly better pitcher than his 4.45 ERA might suggest. Frankly, he sounds like he’s a younger Bobby Parnell, according to the way Mets people talk about the velocity and command of his fastball and secondary pitchers. Similar to Parnell, who started out as a starting pitcher, Mazzoni’s repertoire may be best suited for the bullpen. Also like Parnell, when making a similar shift to the bullpen, his career could go one of two very stark directions. If Rubin is correct, that shift may come sooner than later.

By the way, the bullpen competition is going to be very fun to watch. In addition to Parnell, it looks like Vic Black, Jeurys Familia and Gonzalez Germen may be locks for the staff. However, Josh Edgin, Scott Rice, Mazzoni, Jack Leathersich and Jeff Walters, plus any acquisitions that have yet to me made, will all be competing for spots, as well.

45 comments
Oliver Reid
Oliver Reid

agree with below, lets try and fill some of these roster BP roles with our own.

Jeff Steinberg
Jeff Steinberg

Lot of bullpen options internally for 2014. Bring in some veterans on minor league contracts and we should be good to go with the 'pen. 

Craig Kelly
Craig Kelly

Cerrone neglected to mention Carlos Torres, whom I believe is one of our strongest options.

stephen811
stephen811

FIP? Are you serious? Advanced statistics are a joke, get over it. The era and whip has never lied just like RBIs don't lie about hitters....but obp and obb does....Jacoby....Jose....Choo...good players getting paid like stars. Star hitters drive in 100 or more runs per year and star pitchers allow less runs, hits, and walks than others. The problem is that these guys are human and can get hurt or go backwards unexpectedly...yet another reason I'd rather sign a guy that hits and can't run good than a fast guy with little power. It's easier for the base hits to go away than the ability to hit a ball 500 feet. There are not that many proven career 300 hitters with little power playing right now. Those guys are exceptions. Those are guys like Jeter. If this guy Mazzoni put up almost a 5 era he is not in line for a promotion. No way. They made some nice signings now they need to finish the job. Fernando Rodney and JP Howell who could also close if needed for 2 years each. Ubaldo Jimenez or Matt Garza for 3-5 years (I'd sign both but know they probably won't even sign one). Stephen Drew 2-3 years. I could live without Drew but the bullpen moves are a must and adding one of those starters would be huge. Maybe they should go after Aledmys Diazin February instead of Drew. 

jasonbay
jasonbay

This is great.  You can never have enough young, cheap bullpen candidates with electric arms.  


As long as we know who our top 8 starters are in the organization for 2014, I'm good with this move.  

maxster
maxster

Move Mazzoni to the bullpen and include J. Familia in a trade. He will never make it. Trade before worthless.

Bill Vanwormer
Bill Vanwormer

but hurting his arm doesn't mean he goes to BP until he shows he can't go 6

preplgm
preplgm

Yes !! I love Mazzonni and have been preaching that he and Degrom be considered for the bullpen. Mazzonni is a true bulldog. Perfect for the pen and probably a closer. He had decent command and velocity He just doesn't have the repertoire to remain a starter . I'd also expect his velocity to be at 97 -98 out of the bullpen. I can only imagine how good the Mets future bullpen can be with Mazzonni ,Degrom joining Familia, Leathersich, Black ,Parnell , and German

Maybe even help later on from Jeff Walters Michael Fulmer, Domingo Tapia or lefties Gorski , Bennett ,Hutchingson and Kolarek

Dam the Mets are blessed with pitching

Max Blay
Max Blay

What about Torres he was one of our most valuable players imo.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

I say it's good news to be looking at filling the bullpen with our own prospects, rather than the annual signings of veterans as a bullpen makeover that never seems to work.

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

I like that Mazzoni is another young power arm in the pen.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

It just sounds to me like the Mets have a very tight budget.  Since they can't save payroll by dealing Davis or Duda, it seems logical to save money in another direction.  Converting a minor league starter who never pitched above AA to middle relief in a Major League bullpen isn't unheard of, but it seems to be weird that the Mets (who prided themselves in having veteran leadership with LaTroy Hawkins this year) will be going into next year with one of the youngest bullpens in the majors.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

What about Torres as the long man? He was very good out of the pen last year.

Generic Mets Fan
Generic Mets Fan

Looking forward to Familia, DeGrom, Walters and Mazzoni. Finally a bullpen with some young fireballers. No more Brandon Lyon types please.

md92468
md92468

I'd roll the dice with an all young bullpen, unless you can get a veteran who's both a good mentor and a capable performer. They had both in Hawkins but misread the market, which I'm sure they regret. But absent that leadership quality I wouldn't bother allocating what limited resources they have - I'd rather that money go to solve the SS / 1B problems. 

thewizard7
thewizard7

"...it looks like Vic Black, Jeurys Familia and Gonzalez Germen may be locks for the staff"


PRINT THE WORLD SERIES TICKETS!!!!!

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

think mets have any interest in Jimmy Rollins

phils want to trade him

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

That's the kind of move only the best GM in the game makes.

mets1973
mets1973

They need to add a veteran arm to the bullpen mix. These young arms are all unproven and could wear down over a 162 game season. I'm still not sold on Parnell as a closer. I think a closer should have swing and miss stuff. Parnell pitches to contact. I like Black, Familia and Germen as the set up righties in the pen.

Brian Lomasky
Brian Lomasky

Don't forget about Joel Carreno or Carlos Torres as internal bullpen candidates

roman411
roman411

" ...according to the way Mets people talk about...."


A phrase worth squat.

drmetfan
drmetfan

Perez is the guy the Mets should sign. Taking a shot at Josh Bard on a minor league deal can't hurt either.

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

if we sign Perez, bring in another lefty for competition on minor league deal, and maybe sign one of Aceves/Boggs to a minor league league

our bullpen will have a lot of options, going to be very strong this season

jasonbay
jasonbay

@stephen811 All I can say is - as much as I dislike the brain trust in our front office, it could be worse...you could be working there. :)

jasonbay
jasonbay

@maxster Too early to make that call.  His walk rate and control are not big-league ready, but he's got a nice repertoire and good minor league K/9 stats.  I don't think he'd fetch enough in trade to justify dumping him.  

metfan9876
metfan9876

@flmetsfan There's nothing wrong with having a young bullpen. Actually, with the quality arms they have in the minor leagues, I'd rather see them do this than overpay for old, expensive relievers.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Spot on. They really should have resigned Hawkins.

xgamblorx
xgamblorx

@Francesco Monastra No thanks. He's all but guaranteed to have his option for 2015 vest, barring injury, which means he's down for 2 years, $22m for his age 35 and 36 seasons, plus you'd have to give up assets to acquire him in trade. At that point, you might as well go for the third year on Stephen Drew. Also, I hate Jimmy Rollins as does most of the Mets fan base old enough to remember the mid-2000's.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@mets1973They will add vets, but this young guys are how you build a BP. They are cheap, will be cheap for a few years... Sprinkle in some 3-4 Reclamation projects to the BP and your done. 


No need to go all 2000's and spend half your payroll on a element of the game that amounts to less than 10% of the season. Overspending on BP is what gets teams in trouble.... Don't tell Philly though, i still hear they are looking to sign another relieve for multi year 15+ mil contract.


Last year for the mets... 19 people threw in relief (20 if you count marcum and those 2 epic 20 inning starts basically). 


They threw a total of roughly 492 innings. The mets threw 1470 innings for the year roughly. So the BP accounted for 33% of the innings thrown, by 19 different people. Financially it makes no sense to spend heavily on that position.

Robert Hess
Robert Hess

@roman411Exactly.  Who are these mysterious,'Mets people'?  The custodian, the guy that brings Jeffy coffee..  If you read Mets Blog carefully almost all is BS as they are trying to sell the fans on junk.  We have all these prospects but most are really suspects until proven.  I still think this franchise is blowing smoke and will continue to do so until the Wilpons sell or they start spending some real money!

Ricky
Ricky

@drmetfan I think you mean Daniel Bard- Josh Bard is a retired catcher

KMO82
KMO82

Who's the guy they picked up not to long ago that they said could be a steal?

stephen811
stephen811

@jasonbay@stephen811And your screen name is jasonbay lol. Your one of those fans that counts the money like it's yours. Wake up. They can afford to sign at least Ubaldo or Garza. Those guys will probably both get at least 4 years because they're only 30. Parnell is not reliable, how many blown saves does he have? 36 career saves and 17 blown ones. But the guy with the lowest single season era for a reliever is no good lol. Who can even fill in for Parnell if he isn't around? Howell will at least give a lefty with some closing experience and he's only 30. Rodney would be good to but if you want to give Parnell one more shot sign a guy like Howell for insurance. As for Mazzoni, I'm not saying give up on him but you can't promote him before putting up solid number in the minors. This is professional sports man, come on now. And by numbers I mean actual performance based numbers not these new stats that over analyze everything. Speed is a nice luxury, not something you spend big chunks of money on. I like Eric Young and think he should start over Laggares. I think he lead the NL in stolen bases or was second. Should he get 100 million? Hell no, but he did more than Juan. This is a results based business and a win now city.

tryinbrian
tryinbrian

@metfan9876@flmetsfan I agree, enough with the retreads.  Have the young guys get their experience this year in the pen and then they will be in a comfort zone already with the meaningful games come around.

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

@KMO82 the guy they got from Blue Jays, can't remember his name, yea he supposed to be good, our pen is stacked with depth

could use another lefty for competition

jasonbay
jasonbay

@stephen811 @jasonbay EY Jr. should NOT start over Lagares, and he should not lead off.  Advanced stats tell you that, both OBP and UZR/dWAR.


If you can't recognize the value of FIP for making sense of a pitcher's numbers, then I can't help you.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@tryinbrian@metfan9876@flmetsfanGlad you guys are comfortable with the idea.  I will be interested in hearing your opinions when its mid June and the Mets have a bullpen ERA of around 5.00.


Most of you have this "rah rah" thing going on around here.  Three years ago it was the "home grown infield", two years ago it was R.A. Dickey - Giant among men, this past year it was Colin Gowgill - the second coming of Lenny Dykstra.  Now we have the "what's wrong with a young bullpen" crowd.


A young player or two is good for a bullpen.  I can remember when Doug Sisk and Roger McDowell took this town by storm.  However, you need one or two experienced arms to pass on some advice (like Terry Leach or Jessie Orosco), and no, I'm not convinced that Bobby Parnell is the leader of the bullpen.

xgamblorx
xgamblorx

@KMO82 Cerrano? You mean Carlos Delgado? But yeah, Joel Carreno was said to be one of the best minor league free agents available as far as relievers went. Seems like he could be a solid pickup, or if he's not nothing lost.

KMO82
KMO82

Yeah, that's him, thanks. I originally was going to say cerrano but I was like no that's the guy for Major League lol. Agree the bullpen has lots of options, lots of good arms, just has to sort itself out. One veteran addition would be nice.