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Collins: Dice-K, Lannan top choices for fifth spot

Daisuke Matsuzaka and John Lannan are the top candidates for the fifth spot in the rotation, Terry Collins said on Sunday.

“[Matsuzaka] and Lannan would probably be the two leading guys right now,” Collins said after the Mets lost to the Cardinals in Jupiter (Carig, March 2).

Dice-K allowed one earned run in two innings of work on Sunday, while Lannan threw two shutout innings on Saturday. He struck out three.

Jenrry Mejia, Rafael Montero and Jacob deGrom are the other pitchers said to be competing for the final spot in the Mets rotation. Montero and deGrom have each thrown two shutout innings so far this spring, with deGrom striking out four and Montero striking out two. Mejia is yet to appear in a Grapefruit League game.

Matsuzaka, who could earn $1.5 million on the MLB roster, can opt out of his contract with the Mets if he is not on the big league team by May 30 (Sherman, Feb. 16).

Lannan could end up in the bullpen if he’s not a starter, Terry Collins said earlier this spring (MetsBlog, Feb. 19).




112 comments
joebloe
joebloe

Shock! Collins would rather a ineffective veteran than a potentially helpful youngster! Give him manager of the year now!

Josh Eppard
Josh Eppard

Batting Avg isn't the tell all stat it once was thought to be but it is SCARY that more than 3/4 of our lineup hit under 250 last year and with the additions of Grandy and Young I really don't think we've improved in that area. Guys that hit 200 and occasionally pop a HR don't lead an offense. Jesus Remember Butch Husky? Guy hit .280 with 25 HR or Rico Brogna.... What'd we give for that now and those guys were shipped off in a heart beat and never became real stars. I am pretty nervous bout our offense.

gloveman
gloveman

Am I wrong, or did Collins or Alderson say earlier in the offseason that Mejia was the number 5 starter and it was his job to lose?

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

I really hope Collins is saying that just to take all the pressure off Mejia..

John Schod
John Schod

Please let John Lannan play the Darren Oliver role from our last successful season....a veteran long reliever.

Let's be realistic and see what we have rather than running out hype about our minor league players by various bureaus, etc.

I am tired of polls about how good our farm system is.

The major market teams call their farm systems, the Astros, Royals, Pirates, Rays, etc.

5hole
5hole

Mejia if healthy better be in the rotation. Discussion over. Gotta let the guy pitch. He's gotta stay healthy!!

benmoz
benmoz

Everyone that is complaining about the payroll with regard to the 5th spot in the rotation saying the Mets are only bringing in mediocre pitchers is a flat out idiot.

Listen, if Dice-K/ Lannan perform

Badly this spring and one of the younger arms is lights out all spring, then the mets will most likely have the young arm in the rotation. If not: then you can complain. For now, nothing has happened. Each of these guys has thrown like 2 innings.

CALM DOWN YOU CRAZY NEUROTIC METS FANS

xplr
xplr

I still get a kick out of these LSD taking fans who for the past two years thought the Mets could actually compete for a wild card. Some of them still believe this for 2014. 


Guys, look at our lineup. Mostly subpar. No number one starter. A lot of ifs from Colon and Wheeler. The bullpen is once again a challenge, with no real proven commodities. If d'Arnaud doesn't hit, we will have 7-8-9 in our lineup being close to automatic outs. We have no real leadoff hitter. Who's on first? Guys, we are so far away from contention it's scary. My gut feeling is we win slightly more games than last year, maybe 76-78 games. 

Mark
Mark

This is BS!!!  More scrap heap pitchers with washed up talent blocking young high ceiling pitchers.  I pray that these two clowns blow up in spring training and they are left with no choice but to give one of the deserving young arms a try.  Goodness, I can't wait for this group of idiots to please leave Queens.  I am so tired of the garbage that is being paraded out there as a New York major league team.  Did you see where the payroll will stand at the beginning of the season, and they're predicting 90 wins.  The F-outta here.  Didn't go last year and almost definitely not going this year.   Another thing couldn't even get a good radio station that could reach fans in CT without a freaking ringing sound on the station due to a weak signal.  This franchise is the joke of MLB and something needs to happen with the tight wad, no management, no vision owners that run this mess.  #boycottqueens  #selltorealowners #getarealmanager

losmets
losmets

@joebloe  I believe they are saving that award until Lannon pitches a shutout in game seven of the world series 

eric88
eric88

@Josh Eppard  For most of our guys .250 would be a major improvement. Only Wright and Murphy did better than that.

Morehit .200 or near there. Even in spring training we can't score. They just are not capable. They are what they are. It's going to be a long year.

benmoz
benmoz

@BlackDynamiteOnline  Fair enough, but where do you see Mejia fitting into the rotation next year with Harvey back, along with Syndergaard, possibly Montero, Colon, Niese, and Gee, and Wheeler.


(Hint: I smell a trade coming at some point).

metstastic
metstastic

It is the third spring training game. Still means nothing. Mejia has yet to appear in a game. If you were scoring some points, Dice K and Lannon got some, and Mejia still has none.

gloveman
gloveman

@5hole  ending him down would be the wrong message to send to him.

Ryan Roth
Ryan Roth

He has to stay healthy first. Then and only then can we truly trust him to take the ball every 5th day.

eric88
eric88

@ifti99  If every thing breaks right for the Mets they could win 76-78 games.

zoddie
zoddie

Just because I agree w you that this is probably a 76-78 win team, doesn't mean we are far from contention. Harvey will be back next year. A full season from Thor. A better understanding of what our needs are at 1b and ss and cf. The Mets can easily win a dozen more games in 2015 than they do this year.

eric88
eric88

A 5,6,7,8 and 9 you mean.

benmoz
benmoz

Saying ifs for Wheeler/Colon is like saying ifs for any pitcher in the MLB, because those guys are way above average starters, as are Gee and Niese. The top 4 mets starters are significantly better than the majority of the league so your argument about the rotation is invalid.

Secondly, I personally guaranteed (in record) that D'arnaud will provide at least average MLB catcher production offensively (.250 15-60 ish) AT LEAST. While at the same time be above average with regards to handling the pitching staff. All the pitchers love how he calls games and this support my first point about the rotation being better than you think it will be.

Finally, I believe first base will see better production than last year, and so will the outfield. Granderson, Young, Wright, Murphy will all have good seasons and a decent season by Davis is like 20-25 HR which with those I mentioned producing will be more than adequate.

My main point here is no matter what, you can't be expecting all of these guys to under produce because it's the Mets. On paper, if all goes (not necessarily perfectly) well they could challenge for around 85 wins.

1harris1
1harris1

@Mark Let's not get crazy about the 5th starter yet-it's only March 2.  Mejia hasn't even pitched in a game against another MLB team.  Besides, Collins doesn't have the ultimate say in personnel decisions anyway.  Alderson makes all these decisions.  Collins was rehired in large part because he's a willing yes man for Alderson, and will go forward with whoever his boss tells him to.


The 90 wins projection is laughable, and is just another disingenuous ploy by the Wilpons and Alderson to generate excitement within the team's fanbase, especially after it became apparent that the payroll for this season  was going to be at an embarrassingly low level yet again.  The front office went out of their way to make sure those comments by Alderson and Fred were leaked to the press (probably was done by Jeff Wilpon through SNY's media pal, the Daily News).  Most of us aren't falling for it. 

xplr
xplr

@Mark  These are the pitchers you get when you are only prepared to spend the league minimum. Of course, nothing stops the owners from charging top dollars for tickets!

eric88
eric88

@Mark  Mark,


You are a true fan, it is refreshing to hear someone speak who gets it. You speak for many of us. I went to National Park last year for two games same weekend, great ballpark. I WILL NOT GO TO CITI. I will not be taken advantage of with their prices for a AA/AAA team. Instead of two games at Citi I am going to Petco with my wife. The trip is only a little more money.

joebloe
joebloe

 @joebloe  John Maine is gonna make a comeback and pitch to a 1.25 ERA in September, while Nick Evans returns to hit .350, and TC leads our team to a championship with Nelson Figueroa serving as our ace..Lets go mets!

Ryan Roth
Ryan Roth

Wright, EYJ, and Murph have yet to step in a batters box. Can we wait to deem the offense a complete failure until the most productive offensive players we have start playing?

eric88
eric88

@metstastic  Terry said the same thing 10 days ago. He decided when we signed these guys. TC is not a young guys Mgr. He will always take a marginal Vet over a more talented prospect.

Young Ki
Young Ki

@E Ryan Roth How could he prove he can stay healthy if they don't give him a chance?

benmoz
benmoz

@eric88  First of all: how are you gonna be taking what a manager says in the Winter, months away from the start of the season seriously, and then call ME a moron? He barely knew what his team was going to look like in the winter.


Second of all, I want to see your source for that. I know he said Mejia could land in the bullpen, but I don't remember Terry every saying that he was going to go with veterans over the young starters for the 5th spot.


eric88
eric88

@zoddie  Thy would have to aquire at least 3 new positional players who don't make money but can hit. Harvey may not be Harvey until at least half way thru 2015.

eric88
eric88

@benmoz @eric88   I guess when you call us idiots and you don't know that a Vet will get the job, you don't know how our Mgr. thinks. If the shoe fits ............

stemog
stemog

@BlackDynamiteOnline There's a 1-in-10 chance ESPN would get that pitching matchup. Do they gamble on both rotations falling that way or air Detroit vs. Boston, both World Series contenders?

stemog
stemog

@boisclair @BlackDynamiteOnline Unfortunately, the entire country doesn't care about the Mets or Yankees, the way we Met fans and Yankee fans do. ESPN doesn't see it in the same eyes as we do. And be honest, do the Mets belong on national TV?

boisclair
boisclair

@BlackDynamiteOnline  Right, but they will draw more against the Nats on the weekend than they would on weeknights.  You also have to look at the pricing model.  From a purely financial standpoint it makes sense.  Of course though, if you are used to getting bombed on $20 beers, I don't suppose you would understand.

eric88
eric88

@BlackDynamiteOnline   Ike will never have another good half season like two years ago. They found the whole in his swing and he can't hit low breaking picthes on the inner half.

arbt
arbt

Look at the other bullpens in their division.. Washington and Atalanta have playoff bullpens... Mets once again have that "let throw everything against the wall and see what sticks" attitude ( which I am fine with for some of the bullpen but not the entire bullpen)

arbt
arbt

If Darnaud is really a legit mlb catcher, if Ike can hit 30 hr, if Chris young is the next Byrd, if the bullpen somehow stays healthy and valverde and farnseworth regain their old form , if tejada can hit .285, if legaras can hit .250, if wright stays healthy, if granderson can hit 30 hr in citi field.... The mets can actually win 80-82 games!!! We always have this attitude it was always if bay can be the player he was in Boston. We aren't even at the point where we can say if everything goes right we will win the division and compete for a championship... Wilpon attitude: have everything somehow work out to play "meaningful games" in September

tommets
tommets

@BlackDynamiteOnline  Like the way you're thinking. I really do Lagares and d'Arnaud will be capable to step up this season. Plus the bullpen is the right way to go. We don't need to spend money on relievers. That is the most risky position in baseball in regards to giving rather large contracts. Give the young, fire arms a chance to show what they have in the 'pen. Plus if Sandy really is pushing for 90 wins this season then they NEED to have Syndergaard in that rotation Opening Day. It's not an option. The kid's a stud. I really do feel we're only 1 bat away from serious contention and we can pull something out of the clouds this year. We're not called the Amazin's for nothing.

arbt
arbt

Dude look at what they have. They have 2 guys in lineup who hit over .250 last year. Oh and their bullpen stinks as well. Decent rotation but not enough to make up for Zero offense and a terrible bullpen. Mets will be 10-15 under by June 1

eric88
eric88

@BlackDynamiteOnline @eric88  I don't think there is anybody who is capable of stepping up. Maybe Flores, but he is not a vet. They rather deal with year 4 of the Ike, Duda waiting game. Flores at 1st base everyday would drive in allot of runs.