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Chris Young had a nice night, now batting over .200

Mets OF Chris Young hit a two-run home run, had another hit and raised his batting average to .205 in Philadelphia on Wednesday.

This past off season, after signing with the Mets, he told reporters his lack of production in 2013 with Oakland was mostly due to not playing every day, being out of the lineup and switching and learning new positions in the outfield.

However, these days, he says he understands why he isn’t in the starting lineup every game.

“It gets to a point where, as a player, you have to hold yourself accountable. You have to understand what’s going on around you,” he told reporters Wednesday (ESPN, May 30). “We’ve got to win ballgames. I trust that when I start feeling better, I start driving the ball more, it will be more consistent [playing time]. At some point you have to take the responsibility upon yourself and go out there and have quality at-bats.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Here’s what I don’t understand, Terry Collins says he solves platoons by ‘playing the hot hand,’ yet before Thursday’s game he said he would start Bobby Abreu on Friday, this being before Young’s strong game that night. So, now what? Does he sit Young, ‘the hot hand,’ or does he go back on starting Abreu? To play Abreu, it means moving Curtis Granderson out of position, and he better not sit Juan Lagares. I just don’t understand the point of announcing where position players will start in advance of that day’s game. I’d prefer to see him just settle on an outfield and roll with it, so they can trust one another and find a rhythm at the plate… and, if Terry is going to start Abreu or Eric Young Jr., don’t say it days in advance.




124 comments
Brian Webster
Brian Webster

He'll do both. He'll play the hot hand in CY and still play Abreu by sitting Lagares

zingzangzo
zingzangzo

This team has to be handled with playing Grandy, Legares, Abreu everyday with Chris Young in there once a week with an option of letting him go and playing Eric Campbell for a solid stretch with no time limit on it ( no pressure) see how he does. If that don't work use him as a pinch hitter, looking to spend some T.v. Revenue money on a Encarnacion big time hit production producer for a remainder of the year, if that goes well resign for next year. We need to take baby steps rather than long terming the power bat we install in the lineup. Let's Go Met's!!

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

In this series, you probably want more out of Chris Young than Abreau. You also want Granderson showcased in the small park. Young's swing looks pretty good, so away from citi, he could get hot and show us something.


Ey's on the dL, but I think his skills and Abraeu's translate to Citi enough for what their roles are already, and no other team is gonna be too riveted what they can do in away parks, I'd guess.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Pitcher Lukas Shiraldi will also be eligible in this years draft..son of Calvin..Also a lefty neamed Kodi  Madeiros who some scouts say ahs filthy ''stuff''.including a 95-96 mhp fasball. and lhp  Sean Newcomb who has a mid 90s fastbell and is highly touted...but im Hoping they draft  college SS  Trea Turner or SF college OF Brad Zimmer.

monstah
monstah

Of course we fans LOVED seeing him hit a homer and go 2-4 but to be starter you have to be CONSISTENT. Plain and simple. Just like Grandy - after a horrific start he got hot for TWO weeks in May and now again went on a horrible slide. DELIVER (that is your job) and we will support you to the ends of Queens!

Adam Wolf
Adam Wolf

It' 2 day from FREAKING JUNE... and only NOW he's at .200 ??

Stephen Hanks
Stephen Hanks

Since when did having ONE decent game at the plate become having "a hot hand?"

JoMama
JoMama

CY and "hot hand" don't really go together. A guy hitting a hair over the Mendoza has never had a hot hand. Let him sit on his $7M

G Chris Giordano
G Chris Giordano

Cerrone your just another homer on the payroll, another SNY puppet, because we all know chris young is the answer. You suck just like the mets

bklyndude
bklyndude

The Mets take away Marlon Byrd and replace him with Chris Young and Curtis Granderson at big salaries. 

The Wilpons don't want their high priced free agent signings on the bench for fear they might look like idiots.

pochemu
pochemu

Collins is like a modern artist. Does something silly and outrageous hoping to be called a genius.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Terry is and was being pressured to play CY, that's the reason he was sitting Lagares, he got the same disease that Willy Randolph got sitting in the dugout, you get your orders from the the owner and if you don't do what I say, you go! I am not a TC fan at all, but I can see that he is getting tired of their  BS, and his Patience of keeping his mouth shut(about the orders from upstairs) is coming to an end, he's probably ready to tell them to, TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT!

ken1010
ken1010

CY was a fair bet that didn't work out for Sandy.  So it goes.  When they don't work, you have to cut your losses and move on.  

The real problem is that he wouldn't or couldn't spend the money or make a long-term commitment to get a relatively sure thing like Choo.  Instead, we keep hoping to get lucky with flawed players.

theglider
theglider

Abreu is a left hander so he can play when a righty pitches. Chris Young is a right hander so he can play against a left handed pitcher.

It's not that difficult.

11gilkey
11gilkey

This just in Matt.  Terry Collins is dumb and doesn't know when to keep his stupid mouth shut.  So he's constantly saying one thing and doing the exact opposite.  He's not savvy and it show's by his communication skills and in game management. He might be good with the players and keep things positive but he's definitely not bright.  

jaysonl
jaysonl

god the mets are so infuriating. they win a game, a truly nice win, their third straight, get a good start out of wheeler finally, and a nice performance from a guy who has been awful in Chris Young and they still have to come out with more frustration over who plays

Jason Jaworski
Jason Jaworski

Agreed. You can't "play the hot hand" if you are announcing who will play in advance regardless of what is happening. Hopefully another pounding of the Phils.

helloboy
helloboy

Moving Granderson out of position? What a joke.  he is just as much a LF as a RF guy.  I have not noticed any issue with him in the field either way.  Abreu has been the better hitter and I think will give you more quality AB's based on everything I have seen so far.  Neither have a future here.  If I am starting one normally, I am rolling Abreu 5 days a week. 


Please get me a SS...lead off preferred.   If you want to solve the OF issue, please do get a big bat, DFA CY and that takes care of that too. 

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

He got two hits off someone with ONE career start, including a home run in a band box. Yippee. When the bases were loaded and the guy was wild, he swings on 3-0, and we have to sweat for the rest of the game given Phils past practice of late runs. Campbell was the one who looked to have a hot hand. If that was the rule, he would have been left in until he didn't show it. He's in over Campbell for reasons of money, probably.  CY was a stupid signing and even if he somehow has a good run at some point, it will be hard to defend it. 

ken1010
ken1010

Chris Young "now batting over .200."  That's an accomplishment?  

If he wants to start, he should be batting over .270.  Lagares, Abreu and Campbell are all hitting .280 or better.  Granderson gets a pass.  But the pass for CY and EY should be about over.

Even Newenhuis has a better BA and OPS than CY or EY during his brief time in Flushing this year.

Doubleday
Doubleday

There is no reason to rationalize the way TC does things.  Who else in the history of baseball filled out tomorrow's line-up card before today's game was played?  And even if you knew you were going to start a certain player tomorrow on a day in the future, why would you tell everyone publicly, because if the fans see it, the opposing team is seeing it, too.  Makes no sense.

robby
robby

Terry is just a confused old man.  He's fear of saving his job is making him go crazy.  It's time to move over and give a younger person (Wally) a chance.  I blame Sandy for this mess

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I wonder if the Mets are considering trading Murph in a package for a legit slugger? ...Blue jays might be a fit....2b looks like a problem for them.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

Money well spent, congrats Sandy FTW. #facepalm

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

I remember when this was big news for Jeremy Burnitz too...lol

Glenn Blasius
Glenn Blasius

The concept of playing the 'hot hand' is so discredited, its amazing managers don't get fired for saying it.   If it were possible to play the 'hot hand' then by definition, a manager could raise the players average by simply playing him when he was 'seeing the ball.'  


Put another way - if hits were 'correlated' (e.g., getting a hit improved the chances of you getting a hit in your next N at bats), we would be able to see that statistically.   But its only evident ex-post;  e.g., after the fact.   Any random process will contain clumps of outcomes which appear correlated.  But they aren't.  


In Behavioral Economics its called the "Gamblers Fallacy" -  in baseball its just plain stupid. 

greekgod
greekgod

Do you know what the problem is with MLB?


Too many  teams!

Klemz
Klemz

Let's face it, TC thinks he is managing a Little League team and has to let everyone play or their parents and Sandy will yell at him. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

@bklyndude If Granderson had a legitimate bat behind him in the line-up all year, he'd be having  different season.

monstah
monstah

@theglider Campbell should be given five starts - he was hitting very well and now he just SITS!

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@theglider yeah but devil's advocate; the majority of pitchers are right handed...are you really saying you want Abreu out there most of the time? A player of his caliber, with his garbage defense, at this point of his career, is best utilized playing a spot start here and there, with the majority of his appearances as a late inning pinch hitter, a la lenny harris. 

The problem is we have 3 and a half players (abreu, CY, EYJ, and to and extent Grandy) that are best left to a platoon (at least by the numbers), but when u combine any 2 of them, you STILL have a subpar Outfielder...

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

I would edit this a bit ... TC also shows some favoritism of veterans and Chris Young is one.

ken1010
ken1010

@Doubleday You're completely right.  But I wish he would tell me if he is going to play Lagares Saturday or Sunday, as I want to buy tickets to one of those games in Philly, and I'd really like to see Legares play.  Of course Legares should play everyday, but you can't count on that with Terry.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@robby 

Because Wally Backman can make these hitters better than they are ?  

Ed Renner
Ed Renner

@Albert E Lewis Hello Albert. Trading Murph is an option...but I can't see any logic in trading a terrific hitter, one of the few we have, for a terrific hitter somewhere else on the field. They have to somehow convince some Free Agent to come here....by overpaying him. Let's not lose one of our good ones. Let's add to our good ones. Yes, I know that Murph is not a great fielder. But he has improved dramatically. I can't remember the last time he single handedly lost a game for us. I'm sure he has...but how many times? Not enough to get rid of him for sure. We have pitching...trade some pitching. Everybody wants young pitching. We have 4A players to throw in...Kirk, denDekker, Lutz, etc. We can make moves without taking away one of our passionate beating hearts who happens to know how to hit.

ken1010
ken1010

@Albert E Lewis Who do you want from the Blue Jays.  Encarnacion was rumored to be available for pitching in the offseason, but I doubt he's available now.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Klemz 

I guess it's Collins fault he had to work with Valverde and Farnsworth everyday.  It's funny how much smarter the manager is when the bullpen can close out games.

ken1010
ken1010

@Klemz At least now he seems to know he has to play Legares or the fans will yell at him.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Doubleday @bklyndude 

Curtis Granderson's batting average over the past two years have been in decline.  Switching leagues will not reverse that trend. 

He has some pop and speed but throws like a girl. No real major league hitters that have other options,  want to play in Citifield.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@bklyndude @robby no, but he might be able to preach a different, yet simple approach, and may even have a more steady lineup in there, so you know that if you dont have the "hot hand" you're not gonna get yanked the next day. Baseball is a game of habits, unless you're mired in a 1 for 50 slump, the players need the peace of mind knowing that they're going to get reguar ABs, so they're not pressing as much, and swinging on 3-0 with the bases loaded in a tight game

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Ed Renner @Albert E Lewis the other day when he dropped the throw from Wright on what should've been the inning ending out. Intead, the inning went on, the opponents scored, and we lost...


and im one of the BIGGEST Murphy fans going....but just replying to your statement

Klemz
Klemz

@bklyndude @Klemz When you pitch Valverde and Farns 2 innings at a time, that is his fault. Totally agree he wasn't given a roster of talent but his managerial "movements" only make sense to him.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

I'll admit I liked the signing, but in hindsight, he's always been a strike out machine. And citi is a canyon compared to Yankees stadium. Probably should have thought this out more...

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Mr. SERCH @bklyndude @robby 

You think Wally Backman could have preached and fixed:

Ike Davis........................and

Chris Young...................and

Curtis Granderson..........and

Lucas Duda....................and

Travis D'Arnaud.............and

Kyle Farnsworth.............and

Jose Valverde........................etc.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Klemz @bklyndude 

The pitching is slowly being upgraded where the team can compete,  especially if Wheeler can continue pitching like he did last night.

The fact that Sandy started the season with Valverde and Farnsworth as his top guys to replace Parnell is a damn shame. 

And lets face it,  the offense is not a quality lineup on top of that. Having the Mets around .500 is actually amazing. Couldn't even take a chance on Nelson Cruz when his market went down............argh !!!