Wilmer Flores watches BP

Can Wilmer Flores play a major league shortstop?

Wilmer Flores threw wide to first base on a ground ball from Ben Revere with two outs in the seventh inning on Sunday.

The Phillies ended up scoring two runs in advance of a ninth-inning rally that eventually won them the game.

“We’ve got to see if he can play a major league shortstop,” Terry Collins said after the game, lamenting the mistake. “He’s got to be out there. We’ve got to find out if he’s going to be able to do it, if he’s going to be able to hit. With that comes maybe a play like that.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

He made a few mistakes Saturday, but the ball up the middle on Sunday in the seventh inning was a concern to me. He was going to his left. He had more than enough time, yet still couldn’t get right and make a strong throw to first base.

The inning could have been over, but Wilmer’s throw was wide and the runner was safe. After that, the seventh inning went down hill…

He’s clearly never going to win a Gold Glove at shortstop. The question, and what I think the organization is probably trying to figure out, is: will he do enough with his bat in the big leagues to offset these sort of costly errors at shortstop? So far, that remains to be seen…

 




106 comments
semperfi
semperfi

Flores can play 1B against lefty with Tejada at SS and he can play SS against Righty with Tejada as late inning defensive replacement, this gives us a chance to see how he hits the rest of the way while reducing some of defensive liability which we all agree is there, Cambell will loose some ABs but overall probably better for the team

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

If he proves he can hit but not field at SS, he should play OF in the winter league.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

This really is the question. He will probably hit well, but will he field well enough to be rolled out there every day? I'm glad we are finally getting the experiment underway, and I imagine it will take the rest of the season to really come up with the answer. 


On the bright side, if he can't field ss well enough to be out there, we have Matt Reynolds absolutely smoking the ball in Vegas. He certainly is worth a shot out there.

Patrick Tromp
Patrick Tromp

Flores can hit but he isn't a good fielder, what I don't is we've one of the best offensive 2B in the league and we want trade him?? To replace him with who flores?? Lol sorry but it don't understand that move at all

Michael Leiman
Michael Leiman

I think Flores can be a solid major league hitter, but not a solid major league shortstop, not even an adequate major league shortstop. He's got a good arm, seems to have good hands and has been making the routine plays. But on the move he seems awkward and very slow on the double play. I hope I'm wrong, but, watching the way he handles himself at the position, he just doesn't look like a guy who's been playing shortstop his whole life.

nate lie
nate lie

Go Wilmer when he plays consistently he hits well and then we will only need a power bat in the outfield let him play the next 40 games he will probably avg an rbi per game as he has done on all the levels of minor league play finally terry and sandy are taking the shackles off him

glatt79
glatt79

You play him the rest of the year and that's that. If he fails at least you gave him a real opportunity to show you something. Tejada is a known commodity , Flores is not.

elcondor
elcondor

There are definitely Nerves showing right now. Hopefully, he will calm down and improve. At times he is feeling for the ball like TDA did in his first tour. Look for hitting to improve as he gets more comfortable

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

The kid will be fine...not all SS in the majors are superb defensively, majority are just average and that's what FLORES projects...so enough of applying the critical eye to every ball hit to him and how he plays each.  He gets the routine stuff which equates to adequate in my book...

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Stop...please with Flores as a long term option at SS.  We don't even know if he can hit at the major league level.  He's only going to get a step or two slower as he adds muscle and his D right now is....bad to be kind.  This will end badly if they go into next year with him as the regular.

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

Its amazing how many people here are getting upset at the Mets giving him a chance. We ARE NOT winning this year. SS is the one open spot on the field to get.Flores some ABs. That's all there is to it. They are seeing if he can hit at the major league level not if he can field

Ray Carattini
Ray Carattini

Somewhere in here I expect a Father Dooley sighting.

Chris Molloy
Chris Molloy

The Mets, I hope know he can never be a starting MLB SS, but play him there the rest of the year so we and other teams can see if he is a solid MLB hitter could fill in at Short if needed

Chris Weber
Chris Weber

Matt you are constantly on here preaching patience, the guy finally gets a shot, and immediately you throw questions at him and negativity. Pick a side man you preach patience in the pitchers and Aldersons vision and payroll then leave some patience for 23 year old developing players. 

Anna Johnson
Anna Johnson

Robert Redford can play a major league outfielder, so why not?

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

The test for the Mets and Flores....Is he better overall as SS over Tejada? At this point you need to play the best player at SS. One plays defense but needs help on offense: Tejada. Flores is known to hit (at his point has not shown it) but is weak at defense. Whomever can do better overall should play for now.


For the Mets to go to the next level, the Mets need either a SS who can hit and play defense or so much better players at other positions that they can carry a weak SS position.

baldy
baldy

I know it's crazy, but I have this weird feeling that Flores could turn into a Miguel Cabrera-esque hitter as his body fills out with age.  I'd hate to give up on that possibility too soon.

Andrew Candela
Andrew Candela

seriously, murph not only hits well, he hits well in citi field. That is invaluable to this team

Merrill Needham
Merrill Needham

He does not have a good arm and does not make the routine plays.

shoes
shoes

@nate lie  "when he plays consistently he hits well " Based on what evidence? AAA Vegas?

chums41
chums41

Known for what?? His lack of speed? His weak hitting? His complete lack of even mediocre skills?

chums41
chums41

100% agree. Have him work out in Florida over the winter with a fielding coach. The guy has very quick hands with the bat. Tejada is not the answer, period.

shoes
shoes

@Richard Alicea  This is nothing new. Flores is a known commodity. And not a good one. He has been learning to play SS for most of his 7 years in the minors. He can't play the position well. Period. He is an awkward fielder without Pense's ability. Just the awkward part. FLUSH FLORES! (TM)

jamets
jamets

@Richard Alicea  Flores does not project to be average - he projects to be the worst SS in baseball.  The plays he was unable to make this week would have been routine plays for an average major league SS.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@borsh13 I was also in the minority in thinking that his glove was enough of a liability to completely off-set any advantage from his bat. He is like the Mets' version of Starlin Castro--except that Castro has already proved he can hit major league pitching. 


Having said that, though, I'm glad the front office has decided to let him show what he can do. If he hits, but costs us games with his glove on a consistent basis, they will have to decide what to do. If he doesn't hit, then the choice is obvious. And if he hits, and plays at least an adequate ss, the choice is also obvious.

chums41
chums41

So if he works his tail off in the off season on his fielding, speed and agility, you don't envision any chance of him improving? The way he swings the bat makes it worth one more year of his development.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

@BringBackDaveTelghe  I'd rather let FLORES handle SS in 2015 then spend dollars on a SS when that money could be allocated to a good outfielder with some pop...GRANDERSON should be traded the first chance they get.

mesmo
mesmo

If I recall correctly, Murphy was frighteningly bad at every position he was tried at. After lots of hard work and desire, he has become quite serviceable at second base. Isn't the same possible for Flores? I think so. At the moment, I am more concerned with his getting comfortable at the plate and generating offense. After all, isn't that why he had to replace Tejada? For OFFENSE? The glove May or may not come around, we must wait and see and not absolutely, totally freak out with our hair on fire every time he makes an error. He deserves our patience until the end of the season. I'll bet Tulowitzki (who is hurt - again) made a few errors, too.

shoes
shoes

@Nick Squatrito  This isn't T-Ball. You have to play both sides of the game. SS is a CRITICAL defensive position. "Strong up the middle" doesn't refer to the ability to bench 250lbs.

mesmo
mesmo

It's too soon to tell...who the hell knows what Flores will do until he gets something like 250 at bats. You all suffered through Chris Young and Ruben Tejada at bats and what did you get? Nothing. Let's wIt and see what we have with Flores. He is still very young.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

@Chris Molloy  I beg to differ, I believe he can play the position with some practice just like MURPHY at 2d base.  Moreover, SS was FLORES' natural position coming up so his learning curve is not that great...given the opportunity he will do well as a SS for years to come...look at TULO, he's just as tall and lanky...all it takes is repetition and practice and he will handle the position adequately.

jamets
jamets

@Chris Weber  Apples and oranges.  All the patience in the world won't give a guy more quickness and agility - that just gets worse as you get older, not better.

jamets
jamets

@baldy  He will have to hit like Cabrera to stick at SS.

chums41
chums41

Yes, when evaluating a minor league player, what stats are you supposed to use??

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

It's not about errors either...Tulo had an absolute cannon at ss. The range and footwork of Flores won't show in errors, but will just lead to less outs made.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Completely different. Murph had made some improvement, if only to become passable at 2b, he's hardly good there.

SS is a completely different animal. He literally looks like he's running underwater...it's not going to change, he's going to lose an immediate step or two when he starts gaining some weight. There's a reason why there's so few good ss in the majors, it's friggin hard! If you told me Flores can follow the Jhonny Peralta arc..,I don't know if I can even buy it...I just feel it's so much to put on the kid, he's being put in a spot where he's almost assuredly going to fail.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

@mesmo  I agree...most SS are just adequate at the position, as long as he's able to make the routine play I'm OK with that provided his offensive skills remain above average for that position, and they are...TEJADA has muffed many of ground balls, REYES as well, so an error here and there is expected from any SS. 

mesmo
mesmo

You are an ass. Try to keep it more of a secret.

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

You're some kind of special idiot aren't you? First of all he said Cabrera-esque. Secondly no one is comparing the 2. Some people need to read before commenting an making themselves look stupid

baldy
baldy

@sjm25 Don't be an idiot.  I said "I have (a) weird feeling."  That's me reacting to my gut, not on field results.  Ten years ago, someone like me in the Pirates organization probably said something similar about Jose Bautista and someone like you was the GM who traded him.

shoes
shoes

@Richard Alicea @mesmo  Comparing Flores to Reyes is a joke or a sign of delusional thinking. Reyes had glove, arm and bat. Oh, and SPEED! Please stop the madness.

shoes
shoes

@Chris Weber @jamets  And already too slow and ponderous. Won't get more agile as he gets older.

shoes
shoes

@mesmo  How does someone compare someone to being like someone else (i.e. "-esque") and then claim to not comparing them. Either stick to the argument (however delusional) or abandon it. But don't pretend it didn't happen.


And why should he sjm25 "keep it a secret", when every Flores booster seems to have to have snapped a selfie of their own to show the world?


FLUSH FLORES! (TM)