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Braves manager calls neighborhood ruling ‘one of the worst calls I’ve seen’

According to Major League Baseball’s replay rules, neighborhood plays should not be reviewable. The umpires reviewed a neighborhood play on Monday night though, after Terry Collins argued that the neighborhood play shouldn’t apply to bunts.

Usually, a position player trying to turn a double play is considered to have recorded the out if he’s in the “neighborhood” of the bag.

In the 9th inning, with Eric Campbell on first base, Juan Lagares laid down a hard sacrifice bunt up the third base line. Atlanta’s third baseman Chris Johnson fielded and threw to second to try and get the lead runner. Andrelton Simmons, the Braves’ shortstop covering second, fielded the ball while stepping off the bag and turned to first to try and turn a double play. Lagares beat the throw to first and Campbell was called out on the force.

Collins came out from the Mets dugout and argued that the neighborhood play doesn’t apply to sacrifice bunts and challenged the call on the field, the manager said after the game. The umpires reviewed the play and called Campbell safe, saying that Simmons was off the bag when he received the throw from Johnson.

>> Watch the play here on MLB.com

Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez came out to argue and was eventually ejected from the game.

“It’s one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen,” Gonzalez said after the game (O’Brien, July 8).

After the game, MLB issued a statement on the review and call:

“The replay regulations allow umpires to determine if they considered a play to be a neighborhood play or not, based on a variety of factors. Some of the factors they consider are the throw and if the player receiving the ball is making the turn. Umpires might consider whether it was an errant throw or if a player receiving a throw who is not at risk of contact made an effort to touch the bag.”

The umpires also spoke about the play after the game.

Mike Everitt:

“We reviewed the call because, in our judgment, we felt the throw took the fielder off the bag. We judged that the throw took him off the bag.”

Tim Timmons:

“He’s trying to complete the double play quicker. He’s trying to gain an advantage.”

The ruling didn’t change the outcome of the game, as the Mets eventually loaded the bases but couldn’t plate a run, forcing the game to extras. They would eventually win it in the 11th inning.




102 comments
rico
rico

Reply is here to stay but it really makes interminably long baseball games longer.  

Therefore I suggest adding some kind of production value to the review breaks. 

Why not have Mets City Dancers come out during the review or have to hand out sody-pop or something fun.

I dunno but waiting for a clutch of people in a video editing studio 20-2000 miles away to be the ump is loopy.

lweight
lweight

Replay Review Regulation V.D.1., regarding plays not subject to review, defines what criteria constitutes a neighborhood play that is not reviewable: "The Umpire's judgment that a runner is clearly out on a force play at second base under circumstances in which the defensive player may or may not have touched second base in his attempt to complete a double play and avoid a collision with the runner."


The fielder was not attempting to avoid contact with the runner in this case; he just came off the bag. Therefore, this is not a neighborhood play and is reviewable. The umpires got it right. 

rico
rico

Forget "the neighborhood rule", either your on the bag when you catch the ball or you're off.  


No need for 20 lawyers and 10 talmudic scholars, either you is or you ain't!  


ya know?

robby
robby

Freddy is a cry baby.  Just take it like a man all other managers do

Paul Santos
Paul Santos

Sports in general are just getting way too technical.  The human element has always been a part of the game.  Just like players don't always bring their A game, neither do officials.  It's just a part of the game.  Sometimes, officials cost teams a game with a bad call or two...but the same goes for players who consistently don't do their job either.  Replay reviews are horrible!


grillruben
grillruben

It should not be reviewable. Case and point. So many technicalities etc. Stick to hr's, close plays at bases, and fair/foul balls. The ball beat him, he could have easily got taken out hard, baseball has been like this for over 100 years. I'm glad it helped the Mets, but if it was reverse we would have been pissed.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Personally, I HATE the Replay rules. Sure, umpires screw up--probably more than they would care to admit. But after merely one-half a season we have all been trained to expect the manager to arise, Golem-like, from the dugout, on ANY close play. Kills the flow of the game, just like the NFL. My god, I HATE the sight of those yellow challenge flags.

Karl Leopold
Karl Leopold

Reading these comments its pretty apparant that most have no idea what you are talking about.  The neighborhood play is in the rule book (under the instant replay version) and its there to protect the infielders when they are turning the double play.  This was a perfect example of a player trying to turn the dp and get out of the way and not reaching for a force.

Did not matter anyway as TC completely messed up the inning by pinch hitting Duda in that spot to hit and not Degroom to sacrafice the runners to 2nd and 3rd

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

"One of the worst calls he's seen"??? what a shmuck. The runner was no threat to his shortstop and his foot was clearly off the bag when he got the throw. What other calls has fat Freddy seen?…How can that be a bad call when clearly the call was correct?


What a big mouth idiot he is.

Bob Arciero
Bob Arciero

It's not as bad as the neighborhood play not being reviewable. Now that's moronic!

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

They should eliminate sliding..that would take away the neighborhood play and keep uniforms looking nicer.

Valar Morghulis
Valar Morghulis

So he was trying to make the play quicker?? And that takes him out of the play. So he was trying to cheat? Obviously he had parents that told him all the time only if you get caught.


Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Anyway, like the running out of the base line controversy, the pitching team got out of it but lost the next inning.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

And if a first baseman came off the bag like that would it still be a neighborhood play?

Jeff Solomon
Jeff Solomon

Not being reviewable with instant replay now in use doesn't make sense. One is either on the bag, or not on the bag. In yesterday evening's instance, it wasn't really close. Neighborhood? He was in a different zip code!

ctdbatboy
ctdbatboy

It just doesn't make ANY sense to not allow it to be reviewable! We will be seeing that kind of play many, many time all season long around the Majors. MLB needs to make that reviewable. If the umpires didn't review that call at second base, it would've been a total screw up. I hope that rule would change soon.

queva
queva

With video replay now available--the "neighborhood play" is dead.

TurkWendell4Life
TurkWendell4Life

The neighborhood play is for when either the shortstop or second baseman is making a play in motion to turn a double play. Not when, like last night, the player is standing on the base and awaiting the throw. He took his foot off the bag. Runner was safe. 

Eric Hack
Eric Hack

What if the rules were enforced, tags and forceouts at all bases require the ball in the glove or hand and a body part on the bag. Learn to get out of the way. See  the old days when infielders played 2nd. In today's game we have clods with 0 foot work.

Steve Smith
Steve Smith

In the neighborhood play is a bang bang play at second not what happened last night

Jonathan Peters
Jonathan Peters

Apparently any point in the game where there's a force play, the Braves player should be allowed to come off the base. Any base. Doesn't matter. Within 3 feet you're out. Hell make it 5 feet. Chop chop

archer41
archer41

I'm actually surprised that the umps commented about this.  I can't remember the last time I've seen a quote from the umps.  

Gerard Farrell
Gerard Farrell

I personally like the neighborhood call. If it wasn't there, SO many plays at first base would be way closer after the 2B & SS have to take an extra step to step on the bag. Then 1st would get wrong calls constantly. Basically trading one problem for another

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

“He’s trying to complete the double play quicker. He’s trying to gain an advantage.”

Yeah.  This is the general idea in "neighborhood plays" -- the player is rushing to try to complete the double play quicker. 

beerfinger
beerfinger

Cry me a river.

There's nothing worse than hearing the Braves complain about bad calls. That's like Donald Trump complaining about traffic as he flies over it in his helicopter.

That team has been the benefactor of some of the most atrocious calls in the history of the sport, many coming against the Mets.

Spare me.

archer41
archer41

The neighborhood play was inapplicable last night.  And even if it was, I'm glad the Bravos got screwed!

Jonathan Sachs
Jonathan Sachs

The infield fly rule against the Cardinals was much worse

rico
rico

@robby nah every manager would have done the same thing as Freddy.  You saw the ump say…

"ok Freddy you did your dance, now i gotta give you the heave ho"


Since the umps aren't making the call there is nobody to go ape on 

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

@Kenneth Meltsner I agree but the fact of the matter is I've been watching this game for the better part of 45 years and the quality of umpiring is absolutely pathetic. How do guys like CB Buckner and Angel Hernandez have jobs? Even the announcers laugh at them. These guys make very good money, the MLB can't to better? Until umpires are held accountable for their errors replay is necessary because I'm guessing the percentage of correct calls has dropped significantly over the years. Yes, it slows the game down which stinks, but at least we can get important calls right.

cj1786
cj1786

@Kenneth Meltsner I agree, I hate the whole song and dance where the manager goes out and stalls, wait for the review guy to call the dugout, etc.  Its just stupid.  To me it should be instantaneous.  The manager has to come out and challenge immediately or there is no challenge.  To me the purpose of replay has always been to correct the clearly blown calls. Not analyze every play down to 50 frames per second.  If its takes that level of detail to figure out a call then its should just stand.  The decision to challenge or not should be based on the what the manager sees with his naked eye just (or what his player tells him) just as the umpire does.  If based on that, meaning its a clearly blown call, they want to review then they should review.  But this idea of each team having a video guy reviewing every play, and the manager stalling, its just stupid. 

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

@Karl Leopold Are you sure you know the rule book 100%?  You know that it pertains to bunt plays? You know that it's in force when the runner is not in the path of the fielder? I guess you know better than the umpires and Terry Collins who had the call overturned? You should apply for the Commissioners job since you know so much!

Rudibager
Rudibager

We've almost all addressed the safety part of it.  So what part do we not know what we're talking about?  The player wasn't sliding his base behind the bag or anything.  He simply wasn't on it.  It was a gamesmanship play, not safety.

seltzerm
seltzerm

@queva Except that the neighborhood play is not reviewable.

rico
rico

@TurkWendell4Life The neighborhood play is for when guys like Pete Rose, Albert Belle, Gary Sheffield or Jim Rice are bearing down on the fielder. Not too many guys like that in the game anymore.

rico
rico

@hankincolo I hope the Mets shut Freddie and co up for the next 3 nights. 



archer41
archer41

@Joe Paulson Yes, it's to make the double play quicker, but really only applies in situations when the runner is looking to lay out the fielder, which wasn't the case last night.  

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@beerfinger lol yeah you can travel from one end of the earth to the other if you add up all the inches off the plate that Glavine and Maddux got strikes called in their Braves' careers

hankincolo
hankincolo

@beerfinger  ...and don't forget the ball strike b.s. Bobby Cox and Leo Mazzone used to aim at the home plate Ump, nauseating! 

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@beerfinger The Mets usually have calls made against them.  So, it will come back to them too.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@archer41 @Joe Paulson So, normal double play situation, no "neighborhood play" when the runner isn't trying to do that?  Didn't realize that ... putting aside that seems to be what any runner should be trying to do there (or what the fielder would think like jmaets suggests) so it seems not to mean much anyhow. 

jamets
jamets

@archer41 @Joe Paulson  How is the fielder, or the umpire, supposed to know what the runner's intentions are? Maybe you can tell after the play's over, but that doesn't really help anyone.