Boras: ‘Tommy John’ rehab best at 14-16 months

Matt Harvey 5 (Baron)Mets pitcher Matt Harvey wants to get on the mound sooner rather than later as he recovers from Tommy John surgery.

His agent, Scott Boras, wants him to take it slow.

Boras is in the conservative camp when it comes to returning from the ligament replacement surgery in the elbow and believes the highest success rate for a full recovery is 14-16 months (ESPN, July 11). 

“The doctors are always telling us 14 to 16 months they’re having the higher success rates than they are the 10- to 12-month period,” Boras told ESPN. “So is that a definitive measure? The doctors will always tell you they’re unsure. But with elite athletes, high ‘velo’ guys, to err on conservatism and more time I think is the proper course.”


Harvey had the surgery on Oct. 22, 2013 and the conservative schedule should have him ready for spring training in 2015. Harvey, of course, wants to come back early and wanted to get on the mound last month (Sports Illustrated, May 20). The Mets won’t sign off on him getting on the mound before the All-Star break.

“Look, a competitive athlete is never comfortable with the timeline,” Boras said. “I just watched Matt throw. He looks great.”

Boras’ agency did a study on Tommy John surgery, going back to 2004.  According to Boras, high-velocity pitchers who come to the Major Leagues from 19-21 years-old are susceptible to the ligament tear. Boras has proposed innings caps for those young pitchers at 100 to 110 per year with 10-inning increments every year.


Harvey pitched 135 2/3 innings in 2011, 169 1/3 in 2012 and 178 1/3 last season when he tore his UCL in his right elbow.




41 comments
WoodsideNative
WoodsideNative

Although I agree Harvey needs to be out until next year's spring, relying on an innings count is ludicrous. There's a big difference in an inning lasting 6-8 pitches and a 25 pitch inning.  Pitch counts make more sense although I don't agree with that either.

Not to mention an agent has no business telling teams/management how to treat their players. Sign the contract and go back under your rock.

cgahler
cgahler

Boras never says anything unless he has something to gain from it. Not exactly sure what it might be in this case other than just making sure his client makes it to free agency without another set back. $$$$

Paul Santos
Paul Santos

Boras is right, Harvey needs to take it easy, especially since he's probably the only pitcher Sandy would not use in a trade even if he weren't hurt. Harvey's confidence is what has helped him be so successful in NY...but this is also the type of player that gives management headaches. Take you time Matt, we've got enough pieces in the rotation to stay the course this year!

David Schoenfeld
David Schoenfeld

I am definitely not a Boras fan, but in this case I'm glad he's on this side of the argument.

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

I never liked Harvey's attitude, and seeing that boras is his agent, I can see trouble on the way. I'd trade him as soon as there's interest in him. We don't need that cancer in the clubhouse.

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

Not happening but if the Mets can get to 3 games out by the trade deadline they have the talent to convince the marlins to give them Stanton....Syndergaard Nimmo Montero Matz and Herrera for Stanton....i know it's a lot for one guy but Stanton is worth it....Mets don't give up any ML talent...rotation is still in tact with Stanton we will no longer need Nimmo and if we extend Murphy we won't need Herrera....with Stanton in the lineup we can live with Tejeda at short...

Granderson

Murphy

Wright

Stanton

Duda

d'Arnaud

Lagares

Tejeda

That's actually a pretty good lineup....i know it won't happen but I wish Sandy would make the call...our farm would take a big hit but we would still have some nice young guys in there

ShawnP
ShawnP

1.Harvey

2.Niese

3.Wheeler

4.Gee/Colon

5.degrom/Thor/Heftner/Montero?


Pretty nice problem to have,hell of a rotation whichever way you split it.This all,not even mentioning our BP and if Colon or Heftner type guys will even still be here.

ShawnP
ShawnP

Cant blame the guy for the "beast"within but,I agree,I think Harvey should wait it out and come out strong for 2015.


Our rotation is going to be quite formidable regardless of who gets traded (colon possibly ect).

kingman76
kingman76

Collins managed to get Familia into a game with a 6 run lead again.

Familia usage: Collins brushed aside a question about using the heavily worked Jeurys Familia with a six-run lead in the ninth inning. Familia has appeared in a team-high 45 games, three behind National League leader Brad Ziegler of the Diamondbacks.
“I wanted to show you guys he was OK,” Collins dryly quipped, “so you could sleep tonight.”

 He so funny - I wonder if he'll be laughing come August when this kid goes on the DL.

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Mex_17_for_HOF
Mex_17_for_HOF

My god, is it the Apocalypse?? Boreass actually said something that makes some sense! I'm telling you, it's the end of the world as we know it!

Gregory Schreiber
Gregory Schreiber

The only good thing Boras has ever said in his life. Hopefully, Harvey will listen to him if not Alderson!

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Boras doesn't want anything to stand in the way of that 10 year quarter of a billion dollar contract.  He doesn't care if he never pitches for the Mets again.  He knows the Mets will never pay him what he's worth. 

Dennis Carey Abrams
Dennis Carey Abrams

On a side note, Jeremy Hefner threw a rehab game yesterday 11 months after TJ and was perfect....

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Unless he's coming into a walk year right Scott.

gloveman
gloveman

So a 20 year old pitcher would then not be hitting 180 innings until he's maybe 28 years old. So these pitchers in their prime on contending teams won't be pitching in their teams championship runs until they are ready for their next contract. Ya this really helps teams contend. Or is that not what it is about any more? 

gloveman
gloveman

adding 10 innings a year? The only one this benefits is the agent.

bigdirty
bigdirty

I cant believe I want harvey to actually listen to Boras??

mrfurley
mrfurley

trapper boras m.d.......gimme a break with this boras guy already

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

As long as Harvey will be throwing from a mound with some regularity at some point this season, then he can take it slow.  Throwing a bullpen session or sim game at 85 to 90% will have to be good enough for him.  In ST he can start letting it go at 100%.  The Mets aren't going to contend this year so coming back this year at the possible sacrifice of future years is irresponsible. And not for nothing.....they don't really need him. Unless he's going to shag flies in LF and hit 20 HRs

The Feels band
The Feels band

During the operation, on

Oct. 22, Dr. James Andrews took a tendon from Harvey’s wrist and wrapped it three times around the partly torn ulnar collateral ligament in his elbow. Typically, Harvey said, doctors are happy to wrap it once or twice.

“I technically have four ligaments in there, I guess,” he said.

zoddie
zoddie

You don't like that he is a young athlete that is chomping at the bit to rejoin the Mets and help win games?

Good for him. And good for the Mets, their doctors, and Boras for reigning in his enthusiasm for his greater good.

darkknight
darkknight

Harvey's attitude is what this team needs, you are blind if you can't see that. It's the opposite of terry. He plays like a bully, terry Collins gets bullied.

darkknight
darkknight

I'd pull the trigger. Just don't give them flores, he'll be the next miggy

1harris1
1harris1

Likely will be, along with an innings limit.

1harris1
1harris1

Couldn't agree more. Why not just use Carlyle there? It's dumb to be using a young guy whose been arm weary in a six run game.

i think Terry gets too much grief for the team's shortcomings, but he does some things that leave you scratching your head.

robzimm
robzimm

How does an agent benefit from his client not pitching very much? You think these guys will get big contracts after a season they go 8-5 and shut it down in August?

rico
rico

@bigdirty that's why the fall over themselves for his representation.



rico
rico

@mrfurley nice to see that the horrible agent is preaching the voice of reason to Harvey. 

David Jay
David Jay

You have an operation, you'd be surprised how motivated you become to learn everything about it, down to the type of sutures used pal

hashburry
hashburry

@cyjabeli Yeah, because it isn't related to his business.  He has as much to gain by understanding the issue as anyone.  I would guess he has spent more money and accumulated more information on the subject than anyone.  So yeah, he probably does know.

ShawnP
ShawnP

@1harris1  Even Cohen said along the lines of "shouldn't this be a Carlye type spot"last night when Fam was brought in.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@1harris1 Yeah,  like pinch hitting CY for EY in the 9th of the final against the Braves and Kimbrel.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@rico @mrfurley What makes him a horrible agent? His high success rate at getting the most money possible for his clients, who have extremely short windows within which to earn a living?

zoddie
zoddie

Seriously. I'm not crying for the owners, who are making more money than they ever have in history. Pay the players. That's who I'm paying to see.