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Blue Jays want a 2B, but not Daniel Murphy

The Blue Jays are looking to trade for a second baseman, though they prefer a better defender than Mets 2B Daniel Murphy (Heyman, June 27).

Assuming he’s available, the Giants would also be among several teams interested in trading for Murphy this summer, according to columnist Andy Martino (Daily News, June 23).

The Mets reportedly fielded offers for Murphy this past offseason, but no team met their steep asking price.

Murphy and the Mets are also open to discussing a contract extension, although they have yet to have any formal negotiations  (Daily News, June 25).

He is expected to earn around $9 million in 2015, after which he can become a free agent.

According to MLB Trade Rumors, based on his position, age and stats, Murphy is likely due a four- or five-year contract extension worth around $12 million per season (MLBTR, June 26).




231 comments
John Lowell
John Lowell

Murphy is the best. They better not think of trading him. Great hitter for relatively cheap

Robert Nolan
Robert Nolan

Who are these other guys that can play 2b? Guys that haven't seen the show but we assume are can't miss...Flores, who couldn't beat out Tejada? Please. Murph hits and that's a rarity in this lineup, but yeah let's cut him loose so we can plug a prospect in and hope they match his production. 2b is not a position of need on this team like LF, SS, 1B are. Upgrade those spots first. I'll bet the Mets can get a good contract with Murph. He won't break the bank by any means and had said length is more important than dollars to him.

Robert Nolan
Robert Nolan

Good. I love Murph. He hits, plays hard, and has tons of heart. Those types of players are fine by me. Surround him, Wright, Grandy, Lagares with more talent and see what happens with solid pitching around them.

Noah Baron
Noah Baron

The reason they don't want Murphy is because they know the Mets will rip them off again

ShawnP
ShawnP

He surely does make some bone-headed mistakes but,his bat usually always makes up for it and it seems the Jays have the talent in their line up to make up for his miscues from time to time.

ShawnP
ShawnP

Wow,so Murph is an unacceptable option for the Jays organization.


Not sure what that says about him,the Mets organization, and or the Jays.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Flores playing 2B in AAA?  Terry's slip-up to the press that Wilmer was going down to get some reps at 2B, "In case anything happened." ???  If you don't see the writing on the wall that Sandy is in discussions to trade Murphy, you have your head in the sand.  In the end, a deal may not work out - but at the moment, they are preparing for life after Murph.

greekgod
greekgod

Trade Murphy? Are they nuts? He's the best player on the club....MVP.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Why is everyone acting like they've already traded Murphy? If another team offers a good offer then the could be traded, but it's not like the Mets are looking to dump Murphy.

I myself am not a huge Murphy fan, there is rarely a week where he doesn't run into outs, or messes up a double play or pop up, he hits for a good average, but his OBP or SLG% aren't star numbers.

lholztrio
lholztrio

 FIRE THE FRAUD KNOWN AS ALDERSON NOW

lholztrio
lholztrio

If anyone should be traded it's Granderson.  Why pay him 15 million per season for the next 3.5 years and not pay Murphy approximately 12 million per year.  I know who I'd rather keep.  Grandy's contract has albatross written all over it and it will be much easier to replace a weak armed right fielder on the decline than it will to replace a hitter of Murph's caliper.  Anyone not agree with this simple concept?

Scott Griffin
Scott Griffin

This Murphy trade talk is flat out stupid !! Why trade away the NL hits Leader ???

donw
donw

I still think the CY signing was dumb, but why in the world would you bench him after he hits 3 HRs in 2 days?  In favor of a 40-year old pinch-hitter?  Mind boggling . . .

gpopper
gpopper

The one really legitimate hitter we have and we talk about trading him. Unbelievable. Murph is a decent (not great by any means) 2d baseman and yes, he has his Twilight Zone moments, but he is the perfect hitter for Citifield. What would we get for him ... The ever popular "prospects" who rarely make it. We will wind up being a team of prospects that are "close" for years to come. Resign him for the three years for 12 mil a year and live with it. By then, one of the great prospects might actually make it. We're not going to get a top notch hitter or pitcher for him, just ain't gonna happen. We talk about trading anyone we have that actually is a major leaguer and think we'll actually get some thing good in return. Again, ain't gonna happen. Keep Murph, Wright and Grandy. Play the kids, see who is going to make it and go from there. We have better than average pitching and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

The Mets will get something back in any trade.  If parting with Murphy facilitates an upgrade at one or more of those other positions you mention, the loss of Murphy is mitigated. If you can make significant gains in production out of say, LF, AND upgrade your middle-infield defense (which could be accomplished with just about any warm body in a uniform), then you can afford the drop-off in production out of 2nd base.  Building a baseball team isn't about swapping out individual parts each their own vacuum, it's about the getting better as a whole.

ShawnP
ShawnP

@Noah Baron  I'm not in favor of trading Murph anyway,just was curious.However,I think there is a chance he could be dealt this summer.

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@ShawnP You raise a good point about other teams having the talent to make up for Murphy's miscues.  The Mets have so little room for error right now, there's nowhere to hide his weaknesses.  Every defensive miscue, every ground ball he doesn't get to, and every baserunning blunder he makes ends up being a major factor upon whether or not the Mets get a W or an L that night.  Yes, the Mets need offense, and yes, Murphy is a great hitter, but he is much better suited as a roleplayer on a good team than a star by default on a bad one.

The Mets are 8 games under .500 and in dead-last place at the end of June.  No matter how much anyone tries to spin it, they are sitting squarely in the "sellers" corner.  And honestly, say the day finally does arrive that the Mets are in the playoffs.  Would you really want a ball hit in Daniel Murphy's general direction with the bases loaded and 1 out in tie game, winner-take-all?

04doctored14
04doctored14

@ShawnP His bat alone is not enough.  His range is limited.  Can't turn a double play pivot;  makes too many errors on routine plays. Plus, his judgement is poor as illustrated by that bonehead non-tag play in St. Louis.  His baserunning also leaves a lot to be desired.

ShawnP
ShawnP

@Doubleday  Couple people have mentioned this-seems totally plausible.

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@Steven Matregrano While no team is running away with it, the Mets haven't come close to making a move, either. If the current (lousy) pace is maintained, 86 wins takes the division, and neither WC will come out of the East. So even if no one plays any better along the way, the Mets would have to go 50-33 the rest of the season to make the playoffs, which is a .602 winning percentage.  The only teams playing over .600 right now are the As and Brewers.  What in any sane person's mind would make them think this Mets team can suddenly start playing as well as the As and Brewers are playing for the rest of the season?

The Mets are out of it.  They have been at this stage of the season for years now.  It's time to get something in exchange for all this losing instead of clinging to a false sense of competitiveness only to end up finishing 16 games out of the playoffs anyway.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@Steven Matregrano We're more likely to end up with an end-of-career guy like Giambi, if anyone on a ML roster.  Any deals Sandy makes will be for prospects - that's what he does.

nykjw2
nykjw2

@Steven Matregrano I don't see the Mets being in it because a) they aren't good enough; b) the Naitonals will likely go on a run.

Doubleday
Doubleday

CY got a one year contract. To sign Murphy it will take considerably more years. I have my doubt's that Sandy will commit to Murphy long term, or that Fred/Jeff can afford another long-term contract, the way they are operating.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Granderson is batting like .290 after his bad start.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

You do realize you can only trade players other teams want.You made a good case why nobody would want Granderson but then say he is the one who should be traded.Also what if Murphy pulls a Melo and decides he wants to win and will test free agency you then run the risk of losing him for nothing.I do think that if trading Murphy isn't a step toward acquiring a SS,it might not be the thing to do.

EADMF
EADMF

There  is more to baseball then just hitting  and let's face it Murphy is bad defensive 2b

ShawnP
ShawnP

@donw  Yet we the fans get criticized and blamed for whining and complaining all the time..Wonder why?

hankypanky
hankypanky

Even more mind-boggling is sending up CY to pinch-hit for the best natural hitter (Abreu) on the club. Forget match-ups. Going by the book in situations like that makes no sense baseball wise.

Naturally, CY made out, as he will continue to do.

Eric Hack
Eric Hack

@donw Why would you allow a runner from third with 2 outs to walk home. Terry has deeper issues than outfield preference.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@donw You mean the guy who tried to score from second on a single to left field the other night?
  I guess that guy may be a smart hitter, but clueless on the basepaths.

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper would you trade him straight up for Trumbo? RH power hitter who drives in runs, is young and instantly transforms your lineup to 3-4-5 of Wright, Duda, Trumbo?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@gpopper Why in the world would he take 3 years at $12 million per when he can make $9 mil next year and then get $50 million on the open market?


And if he's so important to the team, then why can't they get a top notch player for him?

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@04doctored14 @ShawnP Between his lack of range, the positioning necessary to compensate for it, and the regularly scheduled goofiness, you're basically trading hits gotten for hits allowed in the long run. There's more to playing this game well than swinging a bat.

gpopper
gpopper

I'd trade him for Ruth, Snider, Mays, Mantle. We won't get them or Trumbo, IMHO. I don't speculate on who someone. Will give up. It's an exercise in futility. One poster said we could get a Harvey type pitcher for him. Gimme a break. Who gives up that for Murph or anyone else unless he's a 40 hr, 300 hitter guy.

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@Eddie_Dean @gpopper "And if he's so important to the team, then why can't they get a top notch player for him?"

That's the thing.  Murphy is so important to the Mets only because the Mets' offense is pathetic otherwise.  As such, the Mets are quite willing to sacrifice middle-infield defense for a bat of his caliber.  Other teams who have more than one or two legit hitters in their lineups don't see it that way.

gpopper
gpopper

Do you really think he'll get 50 mil? For how many years? He's important to our team, I don't see his importance to a contending team, right now. No one will give anything top notch for him, whether major league or prospect. Would you trade one of your better players if you were in the middle of a pennant race? II don't think so. Top prospects for what might turn out to be a year rental?

Who do we replace him with? Flores? EY? Campbell? All we do is make another position player hole in our lineup. We'll have to agree to disagree, I just don't think trading him right now is the answer.

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper I think Trumbo is doable. Arizona is a big mess too. If you have to add a minor league pitcher-do it.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Shawn Sparks @Eddie_Dean @gpopper Maybe. It depends on what kind of production they're getting out of 2B now. The Cardinals, Giants, A's, and Orioles all are teams that fancy themselves playoff contenders, getting next to nothing out of 2B this season. The Cardinals in particular already showed they were willing to give up defense for offense on their middle infield when they signed Peralta. One of those teams might be willing to make the same decision if nothing changes for them between now and July 31st.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@gpopper With what guys are getting in free agency today, I absolutely think he could get ~$50 million for 4 years. Jhonny Peralta got $53 million in free agency, off a year when he was suspended for steroids, and from the usually somewhat frugal Cardinals. Now, I know he's a SS and not a second baseman, but he's also challenged defensively like Murphy is, and he's 3-year older. And their career batting numbers are not that far off.


As far as replacing him, Flores for now. Herrera sometime next year if Wilmer doesn't take off.


Also, why can't they get a decent prospect back for him? They got Wheeler back for a 2-month rental of Beltran. I know Beltran's a better player, but he's also a corner outfielder while Daniel's a second baseman. Plus, like I said, Murph is controlled for 2015 as well. A solid major league slugger, I agree, they probably can't get that unless it's from a team that's out of it looking to dump a player they're expecting to bolt or who's making a lot of money already, and they think they can extend Murphy once they trade for him.

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper Flores. If he fails, EY-our only decent leadoff guy.

gpopper
gpopper

That's a possibility on Arizona. Trumbo, I don't know. I like Murph a lot but if we could get Trumbo, I could probably suck it up.

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@Eddie_Dean @Shawn Sparks @gpopper I'm not saying there aren't some teams who'd be interested in him.  People just need to be realistic about what those other teams will be willing to give up.  Unfortunately, in terms of a day-to-day lineup, he means more to the Mets than he does to any prospective suitor.

gpopper
gpopper

I think they could get a decent prospect, but not a top prospect. But, I believe Alderson would hold out for more than a "decent" prospect. Again, I don't know. The organization is a joke right now, financially. Either the Wilpons are s poor as Hillary or they have the money and aren't giving it up or Alderson is actually the complete fool most of us think he is and isn't spending it. Stay tuned, we'll probably see soon enough.

gpopper
gpopper

You lose the bat with both, I believe. I understand Flores hasn't gotten the playing time he deserves, so I really can't judge him. I don't see him being any better or worse defensively as Murph. EY is a classic lead off guy, but lacks the bat Murph gives. Either way, I can't answer just giving my opinion on the whole thing. No matter what any of us says, what will be, will be.

jenkins
jenkins

@theglider I can see both points. But Young hit 3 hangers, although he didn't miss them. Personally I would have started Niewendyck. I love Abreu off the bench.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Shawn Sparks @Eddie_Dean @gpopper Yes and no. How could he mean more to the Mets' day to day lineup at the trade deadline if the Mets are out of it by then? Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying about how bad this offense is compared to the teams that would likely be trading for him. I'm just saying though that to a team that's legitimately in a pennant race is getting no production out 2B, I wouldn't be shocked if he'd have more value than you might think. While for the Mets, if they're out of it, does it really matter if they lose 88 games this year instead of 83, assuming they could get back solid value for the future for him? Plus, we're assuming the player he'd replace is the defensive equivalent of Ozzie Smith at 2B. He might not be, and if he's not, then the drop in fielding might not mean as much to the team they send him to.

jenkins
jenkins

@Shawn Sparks @Eddie_Dean @gpopper that changes when teams think they can win short term with him. He is an excellent hitter-he'd be a perfect hitter for the Giants in front of Posey.

gpopper
gpopper

I have to agree. He is more important to us due to our situation. I like his style of play , even if he is a space cadet at times. I'm staying tuned. If we lose him, I want something I. Return besides a box of Twinkies or another CY.

gpopper
gpopper

Who would you give up?

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper yeah, those guys would just be placeholders for Herrera sometime next year. That's the next leadoff hitter. How's this at some point in 2015?


Herrera

Granderson

Wright

Duda

Trumbo

Lagares

Pawlecki

Tejada

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@Eddie_Dean @Shawn Sparks @gpopper We're really close to being on the same page, Eddie.  Frankly, the Mets *are* out of it.  They're not going to suddenly play .600 ball for the next 3 months and leapfrog every other team in the division.  As you're alluding to, it could be Alderson is just holding out until the last minute to see how high he can drive up the price among interested contenders.  I still don't expect it to be all that much in the end, though.  Your description of the perfect trade partner is spot-on, but it contains a lot of "ifs" and "maybes."

gpopper
gpopper

You have to find the team that would be a bit more desperate to get him. A team that felt he would be the difference maker for them to get where they want to be. Then you could possibly get something valuable in return.

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper I want to keep deGrom. I'd start with Montero. Not sure they have what we need, but if I was giving up murphy and \Montero, I'd ask for Belt and see what happens from there. They want Posey playing 1st anyway.


Mets could play him at 1st (where he's great) or LF.

That's if they don't get Trumbo.

gpopper
gpopper

That would be a lineup I could live with for a while. Time will tell. Remember prospects are just that, prospects, until they prove themselves .... e.g. TDA.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Shawn Sparks @Eddie_Dean @gpopper Yeah, I see what you're saying, We'll see. I do think Sandy will wait until the last minute, for exactly that reason, to hopefully drive up the price. But also to avoid the title of "seller" yet again for as long as possible. That probably doesn't matter to him much, but I think it matters to his bosses.

gpopper
gpopper

Montero would be my pick also. Great minds and all that. Glad you didn't show yourself as someone to trade Wheeler, DeGrom, and Wrights wife for anybody and anything.

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper did you see Pawlecki muscle up for the tying HR last nite with 2 outs in the 9th? Situational hitting-and he's not even a power bat. That guy is a real prospect.

jenkins
jenkins

@gpopper nah-we agree on most things, I'd say. You're smart. 

Eric Hack
Eric Hack

@Steven Matregrano  You are an idiot Flores has more talent than Tejada only you Sandy and Terry favor Tejada. You are in the stooges club!

gpopper
gpopper

He is one guy I am really looking forward to seeing here. When I see posters talk about trading him, I shudder in disbelief. I am not impressed with TDA in the least. Don't think he's going to make it? I know Plawecki is a prospect and all that, but he's a different kind of animal.

gpopper
gpopper

Lol ditto sentiment lol

gpopper
gpopper

Got to go for a bit, guys. Sincerely appreciate the well thought out exchange by everyone, even me. Let's Go Mets and all that stuff, see ya tonight for the game. Y'all are great Met fans. You think