Beware, Tulowitzki and CarGo are big time injury risks

“Rockies SS Troy Tulowitzki is done for the season and OF Carlos Gonzalez is likely done, too, after playing in just 70 games,” writes local reporter Patrick Saunders (Denver Post, Aug. 14).

In early July, the Mets reached reached out to the Rockies about Tulowitzki and Gonzalez, which lead the Rockies to begin scouting Sandy Alderson’s top prospects, sources told reporter Andy Martino (Daily News, Aug. 7).


MLB: San Francisco Giants at Colorado Rockies


Gonzalez, 28, has suffered from left knee tendinitis since last season. According to local reports, the Rockies are exploring a number of treatment options, from surgery to plasma-rich platelets and stem-cell therapy.

Tulowitzki, 29, will soon undergo season-ending surgery to repair a tear in his left hip labrum.

In any deal involving their two best players, the Rockies had been looking to acquire the best young, power pitching possible and felt they match up best with the Mets and Cardinals (Cerrone, July 29). However, Colorado would prefer to not pay any of either Tulowitzki’s ($129 million) or Gonzalez’s ($53 million) remaining contract in a trade, making Gonzalez the more reasonable target, CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman said on radio (WFAN, July 29).

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It was looking like Gonzalez was Alderson’s best shot at trading for a bat, mostly because the Mets are in need of an outfielder and have the necessary prospects and room in the budget to make a deal happen with the Rockies. But, this news about CarGo’s knee is beyond alarming.

If not Gonzalez, I really don’t know that any proven bat can be had in a trade. I mean, teams will say guys are available, but the asking prices are crazy. The Cubs and D-Backs are in big-time power positions when negotiating trades for their top young hitters, mostly because they all make very little money and every team will be interested. The same will essentially be said about Giancarlo Stanton, assuming Miami ever really makes him available.

The point is, I have no idea how Alderson is going to trade for a bat, which makes a guy like Cuban OF Yasmani Tomas, who will be a free agent this winter, all the more intriguing…




170 comments
Chris Biehl
Chris Biehl

I don't see it happening unless the Mets can get one of them on cheap, meaning the Rockies cover a large portion of their contact or they take minimum talent back in return

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Huge hit to their trade value. They'd get them cheaper now than a week ago

Sergio Valdez
Sergio Valdez

The Mets won't sign Tomas and they'll be smart for doing so. He's not worth the money, especially for someone who won't really make a big difference. Not every Cuban defector will be the next Yasiel Puig. Sandy really has his work cut out for him this off-season now that Tulowitzki and Cargo are pretty much off the table. 

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

Here is the way I see it. The METS will try to make the pitch to the fans that we have AWESOME young pitching and that should be enough to male us happy. The problem with this "fantasy world" approach is, baseball is a team sport, it takes 9 players to win, not just 1. Without another bat or two 2015 will be the same as 2014 :{ Do you think Sandy will do anything to improve this team? I don't, he is going to waste this good young pitching talent because he won't surround them with the bats to support them. Sad, but, I fear true.

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

Its tough because I don't want to see alderson sign like jed Lowrie and Nick Markakis to solve our SS and OF needs either.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

Notice the injury that Tulo got is the type those that do PED's get--Like A-ROID.

jenkins
jenkins

You're now getting this? Tulo and Cargo, really? Anyone with a brain knew these were horrendous investments. And as if the Wilpons would EVER pay for them.

Olerud42
Olerud42

Alderson will not get us the star bat we need, because he stinks.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Well, the Mets are usually rolling over for the last 70 games of the year. Maybe you keep these guys on the shelf and bring them out after the ASG. Pioneer planned, part-time ballplayers. Other than Daniel Murphy, no one on this team plays a full season every year, anyway. Even Captain Wright takes a couple of months off for horrific slumping and lousy mechanics every season : )

baseballnblues
baseballnblues

Waste of prospects. Neither of these guys are worth the investment.

xplr
xplr

Injury risks huh? As opposed to Matt Harvey and all the other pitchers needing surgery that sidelines them for over a year?

James D Kimberlin
James D Kimberlin

This is the best thing to happen to the Mets all season. Now maybe people wont be so quick to give up the farm for these guys. 

They are not worth top flight prospects until they stay healthy, which will be never. 

Let the Yankees take them, they fit right into theirr profile, old and ready to break down...


Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

I was never in favor of signing Cargo or Tulo. Both are impact players WHEN HEALTHY. But when is the last time either played more than 140 games? Also the home/away splits are fairly drastic. The last thing I want to see is another Jason Bay situation. I tell ya,' if I were running the Orioles or Tigers I would sacrifice a power bat for Familia and a prospect. We really need Sandy to get creative here. And nothing he has done in the past warrants much confidence. One more thing: I don't want to see Bobby Abreu back after rosters expand. One half-season was more than enough, thank-you!

dannym28
dannym28

did you just realize that? 

Andrew LaForge
Andrew LaForge

Either way there is a risk with any player that is available that people think the Mets should/could target. Obviously injuries with Tulo and Cargo. The same can be said for Kemp. Tomas hasn't played a game in mlb, Castro, people question his work ethic, and any of the other SS prospects are still yet unknowns. The bottom line, the Mets have to take a risk somewhere to improve this team. The Mets need a power bat. You just have to determine, which is the lesser risk with the best potential results. Is it proven MLB players with injury history? Is it spending money on a Cuban who is not the same level of prospect as Abreu was? Young bats that seem to be MLB ready, but not proven? This, and I hope, will be an interesting offseason. I reiterate, hope.

Derek Lee
Derek Lee

The TheNew York Mets are all over that then

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

Why is everyone already putting all their stock into a Cuban player that has never played in this league? The Mets have had horrible international player signings in their history.


Jorge Toca

Alay Soler

Alex Ochoa

Kaz, Shinjo, Koriyama, Koo, Igarshi etc etc


Granted White Sox got lucky with Abreu, Dodgers with Puig and A's with Cespedes...imagine if the Mets sign this Torres and he sucks. You guys would be KILLING Sandy for signing him and it would set us back. 


I would rather take my chances on figuring out what proven and productive players are available in trade as opposed to spending the kind of money it would cost on Torres..which will pretty much stop any other moves the Mets could make

gregf
gregf

No go to Cargo and certainly not Tulo ... who else? Don't know ... but giving away the farm for these guys is clearly a bad move ...

Frank Monastra
Frank Monastra

How about Didi from D Backs

They like Owing more , price tag is less

And then can have Flores or Reynolds back up or Starr vs lefties

Then sign Tomas to play LF

Didi Murphy Wright Duda Tomas Granderson D Arnaud Lagares

Bench: Recker Campell Flores/Reynolds Den Dekker Kirk

Kelly Zimmerman
Kelly Zimmerman

Get young guy like Castro. Not guys past there prime and injury prone

Dennis O'Connell
Dennis O'Connell

Matthew continues his embarrassingly lengthy run as Captain Obvious. Figues since the team is run by Captain Oblivious aka TC the Tarded One

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/castrst01.shtml?redir


Starlin Castro is the perfect number two hitter....plus


young

no injury history

speed

steals bases

has some pop

already a 3 time all-star

and has a 200 hit season


Defense is definitely questionable but so is Flores and everyone (for the most part) is cool with him here. Castro is a big time improvement and we have no proven SS on this team that can come up and make an immediate impact.



wingo43
wingo43

@Sergio Valdez I agree you have to be careful, but I don't think we can afford to this dismissive any longer about international products.  Your right, not every player will be Puig, or Jose Abreu, but look what happened last year.  We lost out on Abreau who now he's hitting 30/90/.303 and we're only in the middle of August.  Duda has been very good and a nice surprise but Abreu is off the charts.  We could've had him but if we keep saying "Not everyone can be the next Puig." 

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@jenkins Why would you want the Wilpons to pay them if their such horrendous investments?

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

Since your a major league GM tell us what big bat is available???????????????

Glenn Blasius
Glenn Blasius

@Olerud42 You would have been happy if we mortgaged the farm to get CarGo??  Remember how Beltran was immobilized for two years with bad knees?  This is Beltran redux.   


Sometimes not doing anything is tough.  We've been dealt a bad hand by Minaya, and the Wilpons have compounded it.  Just doing something for the sake of doing something was the hallmark of the previous regime.  


Good job staying away from that cesspool, Sandy. 

Anthony Manners
Anthony Manners

We'll said Andrew .have to take a risk sometime . Just don't take risks on injured players

Anthony Manners
Anthony Manners

So what would you have them do.... Give up farm for injured players so that then you can say how stupid the team was. Be patient

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

I've read in a couple places that the bidding for Tomas is expected to settle in the 30-40 million dollar range. Seems reasonable for a guy who may be able to hit 25-30 hr a season at age 24. But he supposedly has just average bat speed so most of his power will come from hitting mistakes left over the middle and outside corner of the plate who will swing at the same rate as lagares does. I.E., low OBP, but can become more disciplined with time. Sounds like a worthwhile gamble fpr the money and lack of prospects required to sign. And signing him doesnt prevent the team from still searching out the proven impact bat they so covet.

Andrew LaForge
Andrew LaForge

@gregf I don't think Colorado can get the farm now that both are gone for the season.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@rico  One take away, he likes to trade for (or acquire) veteran pitchers, which if you think about it explains Bartolo Colon.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@BerryBeltran  Everything you said is true except for he hasn't stolen bases the way he did his 2nd and 3rd year..speed hasn't been good the past 2 years

hankincolo
hankincolo

@BerryBeltran Big difference is with Starlin, his hitting would compensate for any defensive deficiencies. Plus if he really is that bad in the field you take him out in the 9th with a lead.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@BerryBeltran People are cool with Flores at SS now b/c the season is going no where and we all want to see if he can hit. But I don't think anyone would want to live with him there longterm, or even at the start of next year.

That said, while I'm not impressed with Castro's fielding, it's better than Wilmer's at least. I'll give him that.

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

One thing to do it vs aaa pitching another to do it vs big leaguers.....if he is such a worthy candidate....why hasn't been called up....why wasn't he considered to play SS before the year started...

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

Except for black, wheeler, D'naround and Syndergard," the rest of these guys are omar's so lets calm down on Alderson doing some great job with the farm system as well as talk about all this young pitching we have.

Anthony Manners
Anthony Manners

C'mon now xpir Harvey's first year was last year. These Rockies players ALWAYS hurt. Plus these two guys are around 30yrs old.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@thecasuaLGM Could not agree more. And keep in mind that Abreu had "slider bat speed" also. 

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

There are zero guarantees with regards to what kind if player flores can be once/if he develops

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@Zach Goeringer @BerryBeltran @Eddie_Dean Yes because Castro is already there. Flores we are still hoping. No more hoping and praying for players at almost every position. No more if's offensively...this team is horrible offensively. Castro is a guarantee with the bat that needs work on defense just like Flores


Castro is 24 and is already a 3 time all star with a 200 hit season and has a much higher ceiling and Flores is 23 and still developing.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@BerryBeltran I agree with everything you said, but this is a player who hit .245 with under 50 rbi's last year while playing 161 games. I agree he has all the potential in the world to remain a top 5 ss in the national league, but at the same time im not looking to trade away our biggest asset for someone who can turn off like a faucet any given year.

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@Zach Goeringer @BerryBeltran It was one year...just like Wright is having an off year....you look at most players that are good and they all tend to have off years....Castro is as good as it gets at SS and I dont think will cost 2 elite prospects. If Sandy is as good as so many think he is (I dont)...then maybe he can try and pull of a trade that improves the team now without giving up the world...he can make the payroll cutting prospect adding trade...but has not proven he can improve the MLB team yet...4 seasons in

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@Zach Goeringer @BerryBeltran trust me man..me too...I just want to see some improvement now with this team...4 seasons in with almost the same win totals...there has to be an upward trend at some point and you can't keep relying so heavily on your minor league system...this team has been doing that for the last 4 years and it is not getting us anywhere..sure we have a great farm system but how much longer until the MLB team is good. Mets need to make a Piazza type move now...we traded 3-4 players for Piazza in 1997...the only one that had a decent career? Preston Wilson