Being wrong about Lucas Duda and Ike Davis

In the Daily News, columnist Andy Martino admits that he may have been favoring Ike Davis over Lucas Duda the last year, simply because Davis was more personable, and “one for whom I came to feel genuine affection as a person.”


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Duda, on the other hand, is more of an introvert, as Martino describes him, and rumors and stories about Duda’s lack of confidence may have clouded Martino’s perception of Duda’s talent >> Read more in the Daily News.

This season, Duda has 20 HR and an .866 OPS, compared to Ike’s 7 HR and .705 OPS with the Pirates.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

It was crazy long debate. I think I settled on preferring Duda this past April, but mostly because the whole platoon-within-a-platoon thing had to stop. I know I often agreed with Maggie Wiggin, saying a Duda-Josh Satin platoon could produce like the average NL first baseman (MetsBlog, Dec. 2013), but honestly I don’t know how I would have chosen if forced to pick between the three. I’m sure I favored Ike (MetsBlog, Jan. 14) just as many times as Duda (MetsBlog, April 2014), which for me was probably a coin flip at best.

In either case, it’s nice to see a reporter put his pen down to analyze his own performance as opposed to only criticizing others. This is a good lesson, for fans included. We don’t know everything, even if we often pretend that we do…




124 comments
Harry Opitz
Harry Opitz

I would've went with Ike, but what do I know!!!

lindro88
lindro88

You would have thought the Mets traded Pujols that day. I'd say 80% of the GM's on here were sure Ike was going to bust out.

pagey72
pagey72

On a side note, why after DFAing Abreu did we call up Kirk instead of den Dekker? I thought they were talking about bringing him up since he's doing so well in AAA. Let him play everyday in LF. Cut Young and keep both guys up here. We'd be incredible defensively with those OFs.

pagey72
pagey72

I'd have to admit I was wrong too. I never understood why they were choosing Duda over Ike. It seemed Ike had the better glove and potential. Good for Duda. Hope he can keep it up.

lholztrio
lholztrio

Martino is wrong about a lot of things and he's also full of it!  this is no surprise but I give him credit for admitting his shortcomings.

BronsonSNY
BronsonSNY

It was Duda for me. Davis swing was long and he never took direction well.

rf04
rf04

I think what's important to note is that everybody insisted that the Mets chose Duda because of money. This was not the case.

Obviously, money is an issue that is often considered with this club - but this was a baseball decision, and it shows that while Alderson may not publicly criticize the payroll and defends his owner's supposed ability to spend - he's making the baseball decisions for baseball reasons... NOT money. Chris Young MIGHT be the same thing. Maybe he's just keeping his word that he'd get the guy a certain number of plate appearances - and thinks that doing so might help future free agent signings. As much as I hate it and disagree with him still being on the roster - Alderson makes decisions with the team's interest in mind.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

I've admitted over and over how very wrong I was in the Davis vs. Duda arguement. Duda has really made me a believer.

Mark Kunzmann
Mark Kunzmann

Well I see Bobby A has been cut, how about that bust C.Y? Bring up the kids!

Mark Gunn
Mark Gunn

I agree Ike has personality, duda has his on loan from the Smithsonian.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Earlier in the season I did not prefer Davis or Duda. Both players showed similar offensive ability; So, in short, I wanted both traded. I am happy that Lucas found his confidence and hitting to the delight of us Mets fans. I hope he can sustain his offense that we need so badly.

semperfi
semperfi

Duds was always the more logical choice, much cheaper, better numbers in platoon situation, better attitude towards playing in a platoon situation, Ike has sense of entitlement, maybe because of being a 1st rounder or that his Dad was in MLB, Ike was incredibly inconsistent and very stubborn to get help when failing, Duda is extremely humble where Ike was a bit arrogant and Ike got much more opportunity then Duda, I believe Duda will continue to improve but can't say the same about Ike

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

A lot of people were wrong on this one.  At one point I favored Ike but I think that changed during the off season.  I truly thought Ike needed the change of scenery and he would be fine.  I didn't think he could handle NY.  Regardless, I didn't think Duda would end up performing as well as he has this year.  It is a pleasant surprise and I hope he continues to have success.

eric88
eric88

That's Ok, on with Mike Francesa in the Spring 2011, Sandy commenting on the 1B battle, when pushed by Mike, Sandy admitted that they considered Ike a long Term prospect but not Duda.. Fact.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

That's why they should have gotten another hitter by the deadline. Somebody to go into next season with, rather than saying "IF Duda can hit such and such homeruns, and IF Murphy can this and that"..etc..takes the pressure off everybody and they would be able to perform better.

Olerud42
Olerud42

I didn't think it mattered. Didn't care, thought they both sucked. Happy to see that I was wrong. Let's go Duda!

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

Speaking of the Ike Trade, any word on that Thornton kid we got in AAA or the other pitcher we got?

illnagas
illnagas

If Cerrone were to actually learn from Martino's article, he might even retract his "Matt Harvey will never be a Cy Young pitcher" comments...

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

I felt for Ike but after awhile, lost patience. I also figured Duda was a nice guy too (one of those quiet ones who show they are funny if laconically so) and recall he did good when he played every day. So, didn't think a platoon would work -- he needed to have the job. And, I wanted to give him that chance.

Andrew Ocieczek
Andrew Ocieczek

Duda is having a nice year but can he do it again or fail like ike did? Lets bring this up next year

Andrew Ocieczek
Andrew Ocieczek

Most met fans thought ike was gonna have a great career

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Mets probably never "chose" to keep Duda. It's just that nobody else wanted him lol

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

In all honesty, Ike Davis is what, 27? He still has time to figure it out himself. I like Duda though, he can hold down the fort for awhile until a superior player develops in our system.

saxon
saxon

Anyone know today's lineup??

bunky
bunky

I was on the Duda bandwagon from the start . . . heck, I wanted the Mets to send him to the HR derby to get his confidence going. I liked Ike to start (even though I thought they brought him up initially too early) but after a while he seemed to give off this 'tude of arrogance.


I have heard he's a great guy, but he started turning me off after a while I'm glad he's off the Mets, but wish him well and hope he turns it around and plays well. I think Duda still we be better in the long haul and be a valued contributor to a Mets playoff team.

All that said, I did want Abreu in the off season because I thought we needed a fresh look and could have traded Ike for value and had Duda to backup Abreu.

Stephen Fontana
Stephen Fontana

I preferred Ike because of his glove. The long swing and bucket step were always concerning. Watching him field was pretty cool though.

Brian P. Mangan
Brian P. Mangan

Really nice to see how many folks here are admitting to preferring Ike.  I did too. 

It just goes to show you you can't take anything for granted in baseball.  Sometimes guys like Ben Zobrist and Corey Kluber and Angel Pagan become 6+ WAR stars.

Maybe Lucas Duda is one of those guys.  Maybe next year Ike will hit 30+ HR again.  The story is far from over, but I'm glad to see people owning up to the decisions.

William Kelley
William Kelley

Well hopefully Duda stay as clean up hitter. Move Murphy to 3rd place hitter. Larges to 2nd place hitter and move Wright down to 5th place hitter. Wright is no longer the Mets best hitter, Murphy is and should be hitting 3rd. Get Wright to start thinking hitting the other way and forget home runs.  Power will come from Duda and he needs protection in the line up.

Bob
Bob

Davis and Chris Young taught me a lot this season. I often tell people, if you're a hitter, you don't forget how to hit. A guy who's hit 30 HR's can't just instantly become a 10 HR guy. I was WRONG.

Just as I supported Mike Jacobs, Davis and Young have proven that you don't give chances to guys who have been good in the past, you give chances to guys who have the potential to be good NOW.

Bravo to Duda, and bravo to one of my friends from high school, who in 2008 told me that Duda had a ton of potential.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

Now all we need are the people that said the Mets MUST sign guys like Choo and his .247 average to a huge multi-year deal, Peralta (.252), Bronson Arroyo (at home with TJ surgery), and Rafael Furcal, to admit they were also wrong.



Olerud42
Olerud42

@William Kelley I think Wright is still the Mets best hitter. I think he's just having a bad year. 

rico
rico

@Bob everybody in the ML has or had  a "ton of potential",

or they never would have been there

Ron W. Davis
Ron W. Davis

@Bob in his career CY had one good year his rookie year and then he did not adjust when the pitchers adjusted to him. Does he belong on a teams bench yes on a team that will only use him in late inning defense replacement he is not worth 7.25 per season not on a 3rd or 4th place team.  Ike is ok but he is not on our team anymore so i do not look at what he does he is a better defender then Duda but right now not better hitter things can change. how many people wrote off Chris Daivis in Baltimore .  so things come and go at age 27 he has alot of time to make his niche somewhere. I am concern only on Duda not on Ike sorry

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Michael Frias  The "choices" the Mets made were not any smarter.  Opting to do nothing and guaranteeing a lost season shows no greater superiority in judgment over taking an action and not succeeding. Hey, at least THEY tried. A lot of people around here said the Mets MUST sign Jose Abreu, are you willing to apologize to them?  At least for a time the  fans of those other teams could enjoy the hope of something better.   Billionaires like the Wilpons who cry poverty are the lowest of the low.  Fans caught up in their "woe, is me" brand of Stockholm Syndrome only exacerbate the problem.  

tullydew
tullydew

I wanted Peralta & Jose Abreu this past offseason. I still wish they signed both of them.

Andi
Andi

@Macacawitz and yet...we are only 7 games back for a wildcard spot. 

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Macacawitz Well, compared to the cost, is Abreu that much better than Duda has been so far this season?  Plus, Abreu at first would take Duda out of the lineup, because I highly doubt they would've put him in LF, so the team would still be one big bat away from really contending.


All I'm saying, is that sometimes this team actually makes the right move (Colon over Arroyo for the same money).  I understand that all that matters is wins, but to not be able to see that this team is in much better shape than it was 2-3 seasons ago.

rico
rico

@tullydew why do you want Jose Abreu when Duda is statistically the better player, who's a home-grown talent, who makes pennies on the dollar next to Abreau?





James
James

@tullydew Sign enough and hope you are right I guess?  Problem is we don't have the money to guess wrong repeatedly.  Still I hope Sandy changes his position on the Cubans this off season and guesses right (whether that is Tomas or Castillo).

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@big_pete @sjm25 @Dana Smith Dom Smith, yeah. There's always future drafts and surprise players. Right now, Duda is fine, so long as he finishes the season strong.