Bartolo Colon not on Olney’s list of possible waiver-trade candidates

ESPN’s Buster Olney does not list Mets RHP Bartolo Colon on his list of 15 players who could be traded through waivers in August (ESPN Insider, Aug. 1).

That said, Olney does list Rangers OF Alex Rios, Reds OF Ryan Ludwick and Rays infielder Ben Zobrist, as well as Phillies LHP Cole Hamels.

“By the way,” Olney adds, “the Mets should put in a claim on Hamels, to block a division rival from conducting business. And who knows, if the Phillies actually listened to an offer, Hamels would be a great add for the Mets at this stage of their rebuilding, as a leader of the staff.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I expected to see Colon’s name on Olney’s list. I asked Buster why he left him off, and he texted back saying teams were hesitant to trade for Colon in July because of his age, PED history and the $11 million due to him next season, which will be the same in August. Joel Sherman of the New York Post wrote something similar late last week. So, if a team fears being stuck with ALL of Colon’s money next season, it’s safer to not claim him at all, even if he might be able to help in a pennant race this year. Nevertheless, you never know, a team like the Mariners or Orioles may see him as worth the bet, considering the opportunity in front of them this season.


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On the other side, if I were Alderson, I’d try to snag Rios, who has a $14 million option for next season. I like Rios, not because I think he can again hit 20 home runs, but because he’s a known player with some credibility, capable of being better than he’s doing right now for the Rangers. And, given the nature of the standings, the Mets can probably get in a claim.

There was talk that Texas was only shopping Rios to gauge his value, helping to determine what they should do with his option this winter. However, if they’re truly willing to let him go, I’d take him. With an outfield of Juan Lagares, Rios and Curtis Granderson, with a step up at shortstop, this pitching staff, the current version of Lucas Duda and Matt Harvey coming back, I think the Mets can make a nice run next season. And if they don’t, Alderson can always trade Rios and his remaining $7 million at a time when bats will again be at a premium. By my count, there were at least five teams interested in acquiring Rios last week (as well as during the previous summer) and I’m sure that will again be the case 11 months from now.

That said, if acquiring Rockies OF Carlos Gonzalez is a legit possibility, I can’t get Rios now. I have to wait. I’m not acquiring both, regardless of whether they both fit in the budget or not, because there are only three outfield spots and I want Lagares patrolling center field.

Oh, and yes, I’m trying to ignore Olney’s idea for the Mets about Hamels. I suggest you do the same. It’s just easier that way…




76 comments
Mario Arduini
Mario Arduini

Cut CY/put waivers for EYJ and go with Campbell/Kirk platoon in LF. Play Flores at SS to see what he is all about. He goes a couple of games in a row with a Double in each game and then sits. Get off of the whole Wild Card thought and focus on seeing what we have for nxt year. Or bring up MDD to play LF and spot start Campbell against lefty's. We already have a decent idea of what Kirk can do.... 

stewartwolpin
stewartwolpin

I do not understand this desire/fascination for CarGo.  He's a complete creature of Coors field. His home/road splits are AWFUL, the worst yet this year – he's hitting just .163 with 12 RBI in 37 away games this season, and just .258 for his career on the road, with slightly more than just half the HRs and RBI as he has accumulated at Coors. His road performance, averaged out to 2.3 162-game seasons, results in a .258/23/70 per season slash line – barely adequate for our LF bat needs. But, he's never played more than 145 games in a season, averaging around 108 games a year. Using this as seasonal average, we're talking 15 HRs and 46 RBI per year, better production than the .202/5/30 we've gotten from LF this year, but still hardly worth salivating over. Worst of all, in 11 games at CitiField, CarGo is hitting a robust .132 with 1 homer and 6 RBI. That's understandably a small sample, but it's also gotta be a banner-sized red flag. To me, he's merely a slightly better version of Chris Young, and that's not saying much. Since making the playoffs in 2014 is unrealistic, just platoon dan Decker and Campbell out there for the rest of the year, play Wilmer everyday at SS and let's see what we've really got in our own system (until Conforto makes it thru the minors in a year or two) before over-spending on another Jason Bay/Chris Young.

Ron W. Davis
Ron W. Davis

i think almost the whole roster goes through waivers even if nothing happens. I heard the Angels maybe interested in Colon . I would trade him due to freeing up 13.5 million estimate. 

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

We dont need Hamels, we have plenty of pitching, with Gee and Niese being the veteran leadership. Not to mention Hamels is like 7-13 lifetime against the Mets. Why would we pick up someone who cant pitch against us? We like beating him

darkknight
darkknight

Can't believe people actually think hamels would be a good idea... He would cost wheeler or syndergaard... Has to be the dumbest idea of all time, horrible deal for us and that is exactly what the phillies need

bigdirty
bigdirty

I understand what Onley is saying. If teh mets were going to spend money more freely, trying to sneak in and get hammels would make great sense. Adding a top flight vet who is in his prime to lead the staff would be a good baseball move. His contract is a the difficult part as is the fact that the phllies could just pull him back and trrade him in the off season.


i wouldnt touch rios at all...thats silly. if you are going to spend money, you might as well spend it on a player that has fewer questions. Teh mets got stuck paying $7mil for Younf imagine doubling up on that mistak ewith rios???

SomeHighSchoolKid
SomeHighSchoolKid

Buster lost all sorts of credibility when he asid the Mets should go after Cole Hamels.

drfc
drfc

I would love to see Buster Olney's face when he saw the text was coming from Matt Cerrone.

neugie24
neugie24

The time is right to trade Niese. Send him home to Ohio in a package and get Jay Bruce. He is 27 and can hit at Citifield and hit with power.

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

I think they bring in David Wright's buddy Michael cuddyer...bringing in hamels would actually mean bringing in quality to the team we know their not capable of doing that...not without spending serious money.

archer41
archer41

If Rios can't hit in the caverns of Texas, how will he hit in Citi?  Probably not so well.  

Hank Lee
Hank Lee

Alex Rios? I'm surprised Matt. To me he's Chris Young all over again.

Michael Mee
Michael Mee

Cerrone always has the worst ideas... :P 

Marc Singleton
Marc Singleton

"..... but because he’s a known player with some credibility, capable of being better than he’s doing right now for the Rangers."


Haa!  Mets material.  100%!  He has "some credibility" and he's capable of being better.  

synn
synn

How the heck would Rios help this team?? he's just as good as CY. He makes no sense.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

So correct me if I'm wrong.

If the Met's put him through waivers and no one claims him then the Met's can trade him to anybody for whatever both sides agree upon.

If they put him through and a team puts in a claim, then the Met's can only trade Colon to that one team. So the Met's then have to work out a deal with the team that puts in the claim. 

If the two sides can't agree can the Met's at the point just say okay you got him and that team then takes on all his salary? What's the incentive to give the Met's anything good? Does anyone really think the Met's are going to keep him around when they can just let him go and be off the hook for his salary?

Isn't that what happened to the Yankees years ago with Canseco? They put in a claim to block the Red Sox from getting him and then they got stuck with him and his remaining money?

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

The Giants most likely have lost Matt Cain for the season. They're in tight race in the NL west and are holding a razor thin wild card lead. Colon (and the rest of the available hurlers) could help them out.

hashburry
hashburry

I couldn't agree less.  I am more for the Mets supplementing their starting rotation with a proven stud.  It would give them even more strength to deal from and right now, with Harvey being a question mark next season (even if he is 100%, he will likely be on an innings limit) who do you depend on to head sup this staff?  Gee?  Niese?  No.


Rios is clearly on the decline, and considering he can't hit for power in Texas, he is not significant enough an upgrade in left field.  And since when does the number $14M get thrown around in connection with the Mets like it is a no brainer?


Alderson gambled in FA this year, and frankly, as I see it, lost.  Young was an absolute bust and no one seems to know why he hasn't been DFA'd yet, and worse still, gets a ton of playing time.  Colon was clearly brought in with some delusional thought he could fill out the rotation for a team fighting for a playoff spot, and if not, they could trade him.  Well, there are clearly reasons that no other team offered him a second year, and teams appear to not be willing to take on that contract next year.  Hopefully, some other GM will see him having value during the offseason.

And Granderson takes up too much payroll for what he does.  He would be fine as a number 2 hitter or even a 6 or 7 hitter, but the Mets payroll dictates he hit in a spot his numbers don't warrant.  And his arm is a total detriment in right field.

bk_shogun
bk_shogun

Wow what a tw@t. Cerrone has to make a point of saying that Olney "texted him back"


drmetfan
drmetfan

Oh yeah! Pass on Rios. There is a reason why he has been traded 3 times. He is not a productive player.

hankypanky
hankypanky

CY and Rios in the same outfield. The stuff that Halloween is made of. What a nightmare.

mets2891
mets2891

What's even dumber are people who think the Wilpon's would actually pay Hamels' contract.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@bigdirty Even in Rios' decline, he is still a serious upgrade over Chris Young. That being said, we could probably get similar production of our AAA bats at a much lower cost. Only a significant improvement should be considered. Not just a power guy, but maybe a Brett Gardner, a real top of the order guy like him would be awesome.

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

@SomeHighSchoolKid just said that they should claim him. Since the Mets would likely have the worst record of any team claiming Cole Hamels, the Phillies would then be forced by rule to only be allowed to negotiate a potential trade with the Mets. The Phillies wanted a small fortune in prospects for Marlon Byrd so the chances of a Hamels-to-the-Mets trade is likely 0. But that prevents the Phillies from starting a rebuild of the farm system and keeps them a divisional doormat for the immediate future 

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

@drfc I would love to see him fetch 3 phone books from the closet so he can reach his phone on the top of the counter. 

grillruben
grillruben

@archer41 

He's hitting .298...that's a tad bit better than Chris Young.

darkknight
darkknight

Alex rios is batting .300 Chris young will never ever sniff .300, totally absurd comparison

hankypanky
hankypanky

Think of it. CY and Rios on the same team, let alone the same outfield. Yikes.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@synn Way better than CY. hitting .296 and he wouldnt play himself out of a starting job. He's consistent, but isnt the extreme power or extreme speed this team needs. He'd be good in the 6th or 7th spot.

metstastic
metstastic

You put a guy on waivers. If anyone claims him (claims are based on worst record first), you can either let him go (and other team takes on contract and you get nothing) or you pull him off waivers and try to work out a trade. If no one claims him, you are free to trade him too anyone you want. Sometimes if teams are in the hunt, one team with put in a claim just to block another team from claiming him. It is risky though because you might end up taking the contract.

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

@Tarheel11 Teams may put a player on waivers with no intention of trading him, but rather, to merely gauge interest in a certain player heading into the off season


golsf
golsf

Agreed...not seeing a value add given his age, stats and trending. Best moves are the ones not made sometimes...

nym68
nym68

@bk_shogun Yeah, I caught that too. He's as if he feels this need to constantly tell us all that the big boys accept him into their club. It's a joke

benmoz
benmoz

@hankypanky He never said CY and Rios in the same outfield you idiot. Read the damn post. He said Rios, Lagares, Granderson

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

TheMEts actually have the young pitching that Phils would want for Hamels. Washington and Braves don't have extra pitching to spare right now. Next year Braves get medlin and Beechy back from TJ surgery but right now they can't compete with Mets young staff.

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

I think niese is done who would want him rotator cuff that's why he gets tired

jrb74
jrb74

@hankypanky ...and such a dream can come true, but only in the Mets' organization.

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

@2ndhalffun Mets have the young arms EVERYONE would want. Why trade pitching for pitching when we need more offense? one step forward, two steps back in a hamels trade

METS HAPPEN
METS HAPPEN

@Frank Accardi
Good point.  With our pitching depth going into next year, they should let him have surgery in the off-season.   If it is a small tear, as I suspect it is, b/c they wouldn't let him pitch otherwise
Arthroscopic surgery just after the season ends should have him back at full strength in 8 months.  I had this surgery at 31 years old, and came back from it throwing harder than I ever had in my entire life.

randyjaxn
randyjaxn

@thecasuaLGM @2ndhalffun  the point would be to block the Phillies from a potential trade with another team that would help kick start a rebuilding process.  then the mets just don't work out a trade with the Phillies, and they either lose him for nothing to a division rival or have to wait until the off season to try and deal him