Bartolo Colon hasn’t been put on waivers

The Mets have still not put Bartolo Colon through waivers, according to reporter Joel Sherman (NY Post, Aug. 21).

Multiple reports have speculated the Angels could have renewed interest in Colon, since losing Garrett Richards (13-4, 2.53 ERA) to an apparent season-ending leg injury.


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The Mets listened to offers for Colon prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, but reports indicated he was more likely to get dealt during August, if he is to be traded at all (NY Post, July 31).

Teams turned away from Colon in July because of his age, body shape, history with steroids, and Sandy Alderson’s reluctance to pay a portion of the $11 million due to him in 2015, Sherman once told MLB Network. Instead, he said the Mets may look to move Colon this winter when, with one year and $11 million on his deal, he’ll be more valuable compared to comparable starting pitchers getting significantly more money on the open market.


If Colon is put on waivers, and a team claims him, the Mets can dump the contract on that team, work out a trade, or pull him back — which would make him ineligible to be dealt again this season. If Colon were to clear waivers, he can be freely dealt at any time.


The Orioles (CBS Sports, July 31), Royals (Daily News, July 30), Blue Jays, Mariners and Dodgers were said to have interest in acquiring Colon at different points earlier this summer.


berkonBen Berkon: Colon, 41, has pitched notably well for the Mets in 2014, posting a 3.85 ERA (versus a 3.40 FIP and park-adjusted 3.61 xFIP) over 161 1/3 innings. With under $13 million remaining on his contract through 2015, the right-hander would be an attractive addition to just about any team’s rotation.  But that doesn’t mean the Mets should actually trade Colon this offseason >> Read more from Aug. 20.




66 comments
glatt79
glatt79

I was looking at trading colon to give Thor or Montero the spot in the rotation, however; has anyone noticed the 51's best pitcher currently is Matthew Bowman. Kid is making a real case for himself. More pitching. .....

baseballnblues
baseballnblues

If the Mets can get a player of value right now, they should try to trade him.

Chris Gogatz
Chris Gogatz

If that 11 million is the difference with is picking up a bat than trade him for a draft pick or a case of beer we don't really need him. Harvey , Neise, wheeler , gee, degrom, Noah, montero,

koos69
koos69

Harvey is coming back from TJ. Degrom has some tendon issues in his throwing shoulder. Niese is often hurt. Gee has been injured and horrible since the AS break. Thor is not ready. Monte to has had one very nice ML start and a couple clunkers. Matz is still in AA. Right now a Wheeler and Colon are our most consistent pitchers. Can't see a reason to move either. Age is a very dumb reason. Colon may be good another 5 years. He spots pitches. He changes speeds. He pitches.

Keep him.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

The only problem with the Angels is that their MLB Top 20 Prospects is made up almost entirely by pitchers. If we look to their AAA roster though Zach Borenstein is a 24 year old outfielder out of Eastern Illinois who is 6-0, 225 and has worked his way up the organization. Looks like he can hit with some power.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

And Tyler Skaggs, to be sure, won't be back in 2015: "The starting pitcher—who had already been placed on the 15-day disabled list with a strained forearm on August 1—will require season-ending Tommy John surgery that could also cost him a large chunk of the 2015 season."

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

The Angels Garrett Richards is now out for the season with the knee injury. Tyler Skaggs was already on the 60 Day DL. That leaves them with only four starters. At AAA, they only have three pitchers with more than 11 starts. These three pitchers are all over 30 so their major league careers are pretty much over. Colon is pitching well and he has history with the Angels. He'd be the idea so candidate to fill out their rotation for the playoff run. With the money they've already paid out for a championship they'd be insane not to become a trade partner if Colon could clear waivers. And from the sound of Richard's knee, I would think he'll be a question for the start of next season. The Angels could use Colon in the final year of his contract.

nagel100
nagel100

we really don't need a legit prospect.  just save the 11 million for next year and add that to Young's 7 and we might have enough for a left fielder.   without trading any pitching.   we could use our pitching chips on a SS.  


niese and Gee make close to 9 per year  so offer the cubs both of them plus KP.  if they way to substitute Montero for Gee then that also works for me. I would take that deal if I was the cubs for Castro and put Russell at SS.


i do not want to move any of our top 4 arms.  Harvey, Wheelser, DeGrom and Noah should be our future .  i also want to keep Steve Matzo ball.  kid has a great arm and is also killing it in AA


http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=571927#/career/R/pitching/2014/ALL



one thing I would love to see in September ( but likely won't) is a call up for Dilson H.   imagine if he could actually hit major league pitching now.  then we could trade Murphy as well.  Murphy has one year left with NY at best.  I love him BUT he won't stop Dilson from being our future second baseman UNLESS Dilson  can play SS.  that could change a lot.  


the kid is having one hell of a year in AA.  he also has surprising power for a 150lb runt.  i can wait until 2016 but he is very intriguing and he is all of 20 years old.  


http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=599096#/career/R/hitting/2014/ALL

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

Gotta get rid of him this year.....Next year they will be top heavy with starting pitching.....Will get little for him next season.....Gotta do it soon.....

birtelcom
birtelcom

Bartolo has 11 Wins so far this year.  If he is not with the Mets next year, he would go somewhere on this list of most Wins for the Mets by pitchers who spent only one season with the team:

Mike Hampton (2000) 15 Wins

Orel Hershiser (1999) 13 Wins

Kevin Appier (2001) and Chris Capuano (2011) 11  Wins

Hisanori Takahashi (2010) and Mark Bomback (1980) 10 Wins


Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

"He still pitches well" is exactly why we should move him to a contender right now. He would be very valuable to a team looking to remain in first place like the Angels, or a team looking to lock up a wild card spot. We have to hope for the best and that means, for now, we will have Niese (the one lefty), Harvey, Wheeler and deGrom as starters. After that we have Gee, Syndergaard and Montero for the fifth spot. If Gee could finish strong (?), he could be traded this Winter and Syndergaard and Montero fight it out in ST, with the loser going to the bullpen. If we can get a decent return for Colon now there is no reason to hold onto him.

Dave Cifelli
Dave Cifelli

Can someone get these guys an English book?

Gregg Fielding
Gregg Fielding

I can see one reason for not having put him on waivers yet. They were waiting to decide whether they'd want to let him go for nothing if he got claimed. Well, it's time to make that decision one way or the other. Hopefully they're going to start the process now.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

he still pitches well. they can move him to someone looking for a 1 year guy that gives innings. they may elect to hold him for a year if they move another starter this offseason and want his experience around.

dannym28
dannym28

Colon for Mike Trout....Seems fair

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

Colon to Angels for Hamilton........

hankincolo
hankincolo

Pull the trigger Sandy, put him on waivers. That injury to Richards might've been the scenario he wanted, as in, a desperate team in need of pitching at the last minute.

Richard
Richard

I'm ok with him as well but think we could use his 11 million more to invest in some offense. So if we let him go on a claim, I'm ok if we invent in a left fielder better than Chris Young

johnsec125
johnsec125

Watch Sandy trade him to the pirates for Ike Davis.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

I have no problem with Bartolo in 2015. There is no reason to think he can not repeat what he is doing this season. However, if we can get a trade for a substantial upgrade for SS or LF ... then adios Bartolo and thank you for your service and best of luck on your new team.

jaydhn
jaydhn

If the Wilpons weren't broke, I'd keep him. But, since they are, we need all the salary relief we can get for free agency.

golsf
golsf

He's an unflappable veteran workhorse who shows no sign of slowing down.  I'd keep him with the precept in mind:  "you can never have enough pitching."  He is relatively 'inexpensive' at $11M per year (I cringe as I write that) and provides a veteran counterbalance to all of the unproven rookies.

J. Gomez
J. Gomez

There is no reason why Colon has not been put on waivers. Even if they don't want to trade him, it still makes sense to see what can be offered in return.


Sandy being Sandy I guess.

nagel100
nagel100

@kingman76 alderson is fully awake.  the injury happened yesterday.  talk about patience.  you clearly have NONE.


Alderson is hardly our problem.   the Wilpons are our problem.

fourwedges
fourwedges

@dannym28 Trout plus prospects.  Trout's hype.  He can't bunt well against right-handed pitching.

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

Just funnin.....Hamilton been awful, too much cash baggage.....

nagel100
nagel100

@johnsec125 no respect for Sandy picking Duda.  Alderson get no credit for making the right choice just a jab at him by another bitter Met fan.


mets will have Colon and Ypoung's money to buy a free agent.


Cruz and Cuddyer come to mind.

dannym28
dannym28

@jaydhn even if they werent i would, we have 8 starters next year plus Matz for 5 spots. Bartolo should not be taking the spot of one of the young guys

sayhey24
sayhey24

You can never have enough pitching, but you can have too little offense. If we move him or other pitchers for proven bats (not guys coming off subpar years), I will be happy we made that sacrifice. We have no answers in our farm system for our offensive struggles, so it will either have to be free agents or trades and I doubt we will spend much.

James
James

@J. Gomez There is not "no reason" to not put him on waivers.  You get exactly one chance to put him through waivers, so in the case of Colon if you put him on too early you might get him claimed by a team not really interested in trading for him but on the "borderline" of contending and blocking him from a team like Anaheim picking him up.


So then you are left with either letting him go for nothing, or losing your chance to trade him.  Also, by waiting till closer to the deadline he can wait for a situation like Anaheim to play out and see if he can get them to overpay for the situation and go from there.


I think this boils down to Sandy feels he can move him this off-season if he needs to so long as Colon is healthy.  So there is (hopefully) no reason to just give him away.  If he is going to trade him he is hoping to get a desperate team to claim him and that requires waiting for a situation for that desperate team can claim him.  Maybe Anaheim loses the next couple games and falls behind the A's and we get them to give up a young OF or something for him.  Who knows.  But to think there is "nothing" to lose by putting him on waivers at the wrong moment is not thinking it through.


The other perspective is Sandy does just want to dump the contract and is waiting when someone is more likely to claim him at all, then he can use his money to buy a prospect out of the deal or just let him go.

golsf
golsf

@J. Gomez I'm guessing he was offered AA scrubs during the lead up to the trading deadline and didn't want to both with offers of that nature.  Mets don't need minor league depth, they need major league contributors or 'can't miss' type prospects.

@nagel100 @kingman76 

Sandy is Wilpons mouthpiece. How can you give Sandy a pass after wasting 90million of Wilpons money that will not lead to an increase in wins. Alderson is one of our many problems.


Wake up Sandy and sell while Colon's value is at his highest. He is one injury away from retirement.

Brian P. Mangan
Brian P. Mangan

@MetsFan1962 In the last 25 years, there have only been 40 seasons where a pitcher was 41 or older, and threw at least 100 innings.

Of those seasons, only 21 had league-average ERAs or better.

Of those, 3 were roided-out Roger Clemens, 3 were Nolan Ryan, and 3 were knuckleballers.

Basically, to even be average, Colon would need to do something that only has been done 12 times in the last 25 years.  Dennis Martinez x2, Randy Johnson x2, Kenny Rogers, Jamie Moyer x2, David Wells x2, El Duque, and Andy Pettitte.

It's long odds.

golsf
golsf

@sayhey24 The only major league ready bats Colon would yield would be:  1)  under performing, 2) expensive, 3)  signed for the long term.  Bartolo would be viewed as a risky rental (i.e., is this the year his arm implodes, age catches up, etc?).  Or, teams would likely send marginal AA talent all the while asking the Mets to pick up some of Colon's 2015 salary,

James
James

Well, considering what you are saying, Colon is already in the list, since he has not only been above average and thrown more than 100 innings and is 41 years old.


So who cares about if it has been done 40 times before or never, what makes you think that he is going to suddenly forget how to pitch next year based on what you see this year.

Brian P. Mangan
Brian P. Mangan

@James He's beating the odds every time he drags his fat old butt out there to pitch this season.

He actually hasn't been above average this year either.  A 3.85 ERA isn't what it used to be.  It's a 92 ERA+.

James
James

@Brian P. Mangan @James Yes, but his peripheral stats are all in line with his last year (except K/9 which is up significantly) his K/BB rate is very solid and his ERA should be a little lower than where it is.


To me he has been an above average pitcher and either way his current production has easily been worth his salary, so again why should I expect it to just drop significantly next year?

Brian P. Mangan
Brian P. Mangan

@James @Brian P. Mangan Ha wow that other response was pretty out of line, thanks for saying something.

As for Colon, he's already beating the odds.  It's pretty miraculous to be 41 and in MLB, no matter whether you're fat or not. 

I think the odds of ANY player doing this at 41 are long ... and doing it at 42 are longer.  Remember this is a guy who was essentially out of baseball from 2006 to 2009. 

The comeback is already amazing.  I hope you're right and I'm wrong, and you're not crazy for thinking he can do it again, I just think the odds are against it.

James
James

@sjm25 What the heck man, could you be less appropriate?  Saying he is fat and old really isn't an insult it is just true.  It is also true that he is pitching pretty well and I think he can do it again next year.