Sandy Alderson scrum

Alderson wants to stay on for two or three more years

Sandy Alderson would like to continue as general manager of the Mets for two or three more years, a source said (Puma, feb. 18).

Jeff Wilpon recently told MLB.com he’s happy with what Alderson has done since taking over late 2010.

“We’re in a better state than we’ve been, and we’re ready to move forward with the plan that Sandy put in place three years ago,” Wilpon saod. “This is going into the fourth season of his plan, and we’re primed to take advantage of that.”

There have been rumors that Alderson could take over for Bud Selig when the commissioner retires in January 2015.

Alderson is under contract with the Mets through 2014 and has a team option for 2015.

129 comments
Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Hey, let's tie Sandy's compensation to the team's performance. We all saw the Vegas over/under numbers. If this team sees another 70-75-win season does the guy merit another three years? Has the team improved since he came aboard? Chris Young and Bartolo Colon are being overpaid. Lots of mediocre journeymen competing for that fifth starter spot. SS and 1B not really addressed (and handled badly from Day One). And his inter-season work has not been terribly strong (Rick Ankiel anyone). Cannot speak for everyone on this site but I really want a reason to watch this team in 2014.

andrew fisher
andrew fisher

Average payroll for World Series winners over the last 5 years (and with new TV monies these averages will continue to sky rocket):


$138 million.


Mets 2014 opening day payroll:  $86 million.  

That's 52 million off the average.  If you got rid of the outliers of the Yankees and SF's 2010 titles, the average is still 130 million.


Now I'm sure the super analysts of Mets blog, such as Maggie Wiggin, can clearly see how statistically the Mets are no where near what it takes in terms of a financial commitment to win a world series.  

In addition, the average team payroll is steadily increasing across baseball, while the Mets' continues to sink.  Of course Cerrone thinks this is a job well done, b/c in his mind anything done to aid the Wilpons is a win in his book.

Brian Callahan
Brian Callahan

I love how most of you rip Alderson for not going out and spending money on high price long term free agents, which is exactly what you were ripping Omar Minaya for doing just a few years ago.  Alderson hasn't been "tremendous" but he's done a pretty damn good job in my opinion.  Minaya left this team in shambles and Alderson's rebuilt the farm system, and had to work around the Wilpon's financial trouble.  Just calm down and look at the big picture, we will potentially have one of the most formidable rotations in baseball down the road to build around.  Everyone wants the Mets to go out and sign every big name free agent that comes along but how did that work out for us in the past?

sayhey24
sayhey24

Sandy has definitely picked up a few bright prospects in trades, but this does not make him a gret GM in my mind as teams committed to winning now will often part with the "May be a star" type player for a current all star. I have been around long enough to know that the vast majority of hyped prospects do not become top flight players, so rebuilding in that way is extremely risky. To me the definition of a great GM is one who finds a way to make his team competitive regardless of financial restrictions. He has not yet put together a competitive ML team here in NY, so it's tough to say he has done a good job. However, he HAS done what the Wilpons have asked of him, so from that perspective he is a good GM.

Bill Young
Bill Young

The reign of under-funded terror continues. Vegas has us at 71.5 over/under. Four years in, and we can't break even. Great success, Mets. How long should we keep this failed experiment going?

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Unfortunately, as long as the Wilpons want to hang on to this team, Alderson will be General Manager.  I have seen General Managers and Field Managers be described as "Trader" or "Riverboat Gambler", but when this is all done, I think we'll look bac at the Alderson tenure and think of "Three Card Monte".

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Nothing against Sandy, but how could they possibly hire the former GM of the A's to take over for Bud Selig? That was ground zero of the steroid outbreak in MLB. That would be akin to if Penn State had decided when they fired Joe Paterno, to replace him full-time (not just interim) with Tom Bradley. Was what happened at all Bradley's fault? Probably not, but the organization HAD to bring somebody in with no connections to previous regime and the scandal, just to wash out the stench.


Obviously the subject-matter is far less important, but it's the same here imo. The next commissioner has to be someone with no connection to steroids in baseball. It might even make sense to go completely outside the world of MLB.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

My only knock on Alderson is I'm not a fan of signing hgh, steroid guys because I don't know how that effects the club house. I think the team is maybe a big trade or two from being really good, but whether the rest of baseball is a good trading partner is questionable. It's tough to judge a GM's performance when my confidence in the owners is shaky though.

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

Despite whatever the Mets finance situation is, I am completely onboard with keeping Sandy for another three years and letting him continue what I think has been and will ultimately prove to be a tremendous rebuilding job (especially considering the circumstances that he has had to do it under much of which I doubt we will ever know for years). I even like the fact that when he decides to leave that the Mets have potentially 3 solid, internal options underneath him (DePodesta, Ricciardi, and potentially Ricco). Continue to build and develop whatever it is they are building and developing. I think ultimately - perhaps as early as this year - Mets fans will start to get excited. 

kev2001
kev2001

I know it's been a frustrating better part of a decade for Mets fans, but I have no problem with what Sandy has done since he's been here. The end goal should be setting your team up to win a championship and does anyone think that there's a GM out there that could have turned the Mets into that caliber of a team, especially while the Braves (and in theory the Nats) are peaking. By essentially buying time and building up the farm, the Mets are in a better place to win a championship than if they had continued to be in "win now" mode. Imagine being the clueless Phillies now - that could be the Mets under different management.


Our patience is (rightfully) running out, but we as fans really need to keep perspective.

Olerud42
Olerud42

I am on board with Sandy's plan. I think he's been doing the right thing by building up the farm and avoiding terrible long-term contracts at the same time. If it were me, I'd sign him to a 3 year deal at this point. 

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

i am year to year on him staying.  lol  when you leave can you take Jeff Wilpon and Fred with you

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

The only thing Sandy has really done is wait for bad contracts to clear the table. He has NOT built a team that has finised above 500, yet. will 2014 be the year we do? Is a GM that has a goal of 500 really worth keeping? If the team does finish above and shows improvemnet then give him another chance, other wise, dump him. There is no reason why the Mets can't compete, they play in the same market as the Skanks, and, they compete, so , what is the problem in Queens?

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

God help this team if Alderson stays around, as long as the Wilpons own it you know he will, he is the perfect penny pinching puppet for them.

eric88
eric88

The Mets are starting opening day with 6 starterd that hit between .200 to .235 depending on which combination TC starts. Yet Wilmer Flores who Baseball Prospectus just named the Mets # 3 prospect gets jerked all over the field and not given a fixed starting position and crack that putrid lineup!! However, we can play Duda in LF and start Satin over him at 1B. Put this kid at 1st base everyday and watch him rake.

Get rid of all the others at 1B and put the money saved toward Drew. Sandy, come back to us.

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

Until the wilpons sell the team the mets won't win anything. 

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Who else is available? Billy Beane is going nowhere. Carrington is going no where. Same for Jon Daniels and Mozeliak. If you can't get one of the big four might as well stay with Sandy and let him finish what he started.

bklyndude
bklyndude

When the Mets were able to spend money they spent.  Carlos Beltran and Johan Santana were good contract's until Johan got hurt.  The contracts to Luis Castillo, Oliver Perez and Jason Bay turned out to be awful and set the franchise back.

But the farm system was terrible and never able to produce a steady stream of prospects to overcome the bad contracts.  The Madoff scandal just compounded an already bad situation and probably cost us Jose Reyes,  and we are still looking for a SS,  that's on the Wilpons.

Alderson, hired after the 2010 season,  came into what can only be described as a complete rebuilding job which started with having to stock the minor league system with better talent which could eventually join David Wright and Matt Harvey. 

The young arms in PSL is the very beginning of something that can eventually be special. Believe it or not,  we are closer to turning this thing around with Matt Harvey returning next year along with Wheeler and Snydergaard.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

I don't like Alderson's style.  He's way too accepting of mediocrity and moves at glacial speed.  He seems perfectly content dabbling and maybe winning something every quarter century or so.  The only time he's worked with a World Chamionship team was in 1989.  Somehow despite the bare cupboard, he has this aura around him.  I don't get it.  Dude is all hat and no cattle. 

Pete Spaz
Pete Spaz

remember, he had NOTHING to do with Harvey... he was acquired by Omar....

andrew fisher
andrew fisher

@Brian Callahan The reason it didn't work out was b/c we had a rare string of injuries:  Pedro, Duque, Sanchez, Flloyd, all injured for the playoff run in 2006.  We likely win the WS that year.  In addition, the joke owners refused to spend for that extra piece that would get us over the top.  

Outside of Wheeler, who is greatly unproven, what guys from the farm has Sandy produced?  The other problem with Minaya was that he was spending like a big money team, and then suddenly he was mandated to spend like the Pirates.  When big money teams have contracts that don't work out, they spend money to compensate.  Our team however suddenly was broke and couldn't do so.  Big spending hasn't hurt the Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Tigers, Dodgers, Angels, etc etc, b/c when they do make mistakes they fix them by spending, not by going into a shell for five years and fielding a minor league squad.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

I've never read anything that showed Sandy knew about the A's steroid problem.  He wasn't in the clubhouse daily.  Jst like you can't blame Frank Cashen for Doc and Darryl's cocaine use.  However, since then, Sandy has been active in dealing with the problem,  It would be better to have someone who understands the situation than a greenhorn who would be treated like a substitute teacher.  That being said, I hope he doesn't leave the Mets. 

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Eddie_Dean Thank you.  It has seemed that this blog has skirted that issue since the day that Alderson was signed.  I just love how they touted his success with the A's, but made not mention that his tenure was during the heart of the Steroid Era.  So far I haven't seen a miraculous turn around for the Mets, but then again, Duda and Davis are being tested on a regular basis.

ifti99
ifti99

@Jon Pace  What exactly are you basing his "tremendous job" on? Other than Byrd, virtually every free agent the signed has been fair (i.e. John Buck) to a complete bust (Rick Ankiel). Yes, he did trade Dickey, but to be fair , everyone wanted him at the time. He let Reyes walk for free. He didn't draft Harvey. 


No granted, he hasn't had much money to work with, but I don;t see how you can call the job he did "tremendous", unless you have extremely low standards. This is the first year he was allowed to spend: let's see what Colon, Young and Granderson can do. 

cactus
cactus

@Jon Pace they threw away 4 years, lost a batting champ, cy young winner, and mvp candidate and have a few pitching prospects to show for it.  perhaps as early as this year fans will get "excited" and you call that a tremendous job?

grandpamet
grandpamet

@Jon Pace  I always assumed the job would be passed off to DePodesta when Sandy leaves. I wonder if this would still be the case if Sandy stayed an extra 3 years. 

Andrew Angus McDuff
Andrew Angus McDuff

@Jim Yager  Are you kidding Jimmy? I think most would acknowledge that the Mets have assembled a crew of very good pitching prospects. Do you not think that's the case?

niesesnose
niesesnose

The blog comments here were always a hellhole, and have somehow gotten worse after this Livefyre move. This comment may be the dumbest I have ever seen. "6 starters who hit between .200 and .235". d'Arnaud played a month in the majors last year, Sample sizes, how do they work? Tejadas extremely low BABIP and high line drive rates would show he's better than the hitter he was last year. I'd rather have Drew, but thinking Rubes will hit .200

again is moronic. Chris Young also had a low BABIP and his plate discipline hasn't gone down, another indication he'll likely rebound. A platoon of Duda and Satin would combine to be top 10 in wRC for 1B, and if you play Duda against righties and Satin against lefties, I can guarantee you that combo would hit .200+. Granderson was hurt most of the year and played in a tiny amount of games. Again; context and sample size, how do they work? Lagares hit .242 last year...Where are you getting 6 players from?

metslaw
metslaw

@bklyndude Jason Bay's contract should not have set a NY franchise back 10 years. That is where the joke is.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

The best decisions Sandy has made have been the players he hasn't signed.  Would you like Pujols' contract for the next 10 years?  Or Josh Hamilton?  What player would you have signed that was available?  Cano?  It won't take long for Seattle to regret that move. 

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

@Macacawitz   He is. The one thing that I cannot stand about Alderson is that he will try to to go to the bargain basement to fix needs(Granderson,Colon). When you are building a championship team sometimes you need to bring in key free agents such as Choo,Hamilton etc. Yes there is a chance that they underperform,but  that is the risk of baseball.

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

@Macacawitz While I agree with you, I still wonder, how much is Sandy, and how much is it the Wilpons jumping up and down like chimps going "DONT SPEND MONEY NOOOOOOO" in the back office.

Raymond Ayling
Raymond Ayling

@Pete Spaz  yes and dicky was signed by omar which gave us  2 top prospects,, and omar got beltran which turned into wheeler and niese was signed by omar.... along with reyes and davis  [[[[ not sure if hes done yet]]]].....    so omar gets alot of credit here

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

@Pete Spaz  That is true,however he,and his team developed Harvey. While Omar was a good evaluator of talent , it doesn't take a pure genius to pick a top 5 draft pick.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Pete Spaz   

Does that mean you are complimenting Omar Minaya for drafting one good player in six years.   David Wright and Jose Reyes were here before Omar arrived, it happens.

Or you think Sandy Alderson should have taken over a team that had zero decent players.

Brian Callahan
Brian Callahan

@andrew fisher @Brian Callahan  I know injuries played a huge factor and I'm not knocking Minaya for the I think he put together a solid team in 06.  I think he could have done more in 07 to improve the bullpen which likely would have prevented our collapse.  The thing about Minaya, was after the 06 season he made big moves to bring in Santana, KRod, and Putz but we had a very fragile team with little depth.  Also out payroll was 117 mil in 2007 and 138 mil in 2008, how can you say we didn't spend we were top 3 in baseball.  It's easy to use the Wilpons as a scapegoat, and I don't like them as owners but to say they didn't spend is completely false.


When you look at the contracts given to Bay, Castillo, Oliver Perez, those are moves that seriously hamstrung us for the next few years.  Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but my point is, tell me what big name guys Sandy could have brought in since he started that would have turned this team into a playoff team while keeping us within the Wilpons financial restraints due to Madoff?  You want him to go out and make a big splash but all that would do would maybe make us an 82-85 win team and hamstring us for the the future when guys like Harvey and Wheeler could be in their prime.


Yeah Wheeler is unproven but he was also the GIants top pitching prospect and we got him for a 37 year old Beltran who played for SF for 2 months, that was a great trade.  We got the top catching prospect and possibly the best RH pitching prospect in baseball for a 40 year old knuckle baller who had a plus 4 era last year with Toronto..I know their unproven, but give them time, if Syndergaard pans out to what scouts say he could be, that could go down as one of the best trades in Met history.  Those are two moves Sandy pulled off that could potentially help the Mets for the next 15 years.  Plus Byrd was a great signing and got us Vic Black who looks like he could be a nice piece to our bullpen.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Jim Alderson You can't blame Frank Cashen for Doc and Darryl's cocaine use?  He didn't know about it since he wasn't in the clubhouse?  How naive can you be?  Of course Cashen was aware of cocaine use in the Mets' clubhouse in the mid 80's.  Of course Alderson was aware of the rampant steroid use in the A's  clubhouse in the 90's.  Granted, Cashen didn't see Doc running out to his car for some blow during a spring training game, and Alderson didn't see Canseco shooting up before games, but they knew.  They ignored it because the team was winning and asses were in the seats.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Look at it like this.  They HAD a batting champ.  Does Toronto now have a batting champ?  No.  They have a guy who did it for another team and will have to pay him $22 mil yearly from 2015-2018 for that unless they can trade him.  Likewise, they HAD a Cy Young Winner.  Toronto does not.  They have a past.  We have a future. 

Brian Callahan
Brian Callahan

@cactus @Jon Pace  How can people possibly still be knocking the Mets for trading Dickey?? He was 40 years old, and we got the #1 catching prospect and possibly the best RH prospect in baseball for him.  We won't contend for a title until after Dickey retires anyway and he didn't even have a good year last year.  Knock Alderson all you want for botching the Reyes thing, I wish he would have traded him too instead of letting him walk, but if Syndergaard pans out the way scouts think he will, the Dickey trade will go down as one of best trades in Met history

andrew fisher
andrew fisher

@Andrew Angus McDuff @Jim YagerWheeler and Syndergaard.  One had a solid start but is still massively unproven, the other isn't even in the bigs.  After four seasons, thats all Alderson can hang his hat on?

bklyndude
bklyndude

@metslaw @bklyndude   That's exactly why Omar Minaya was fired.  

He gave out bad contracts and the farm system did not have any major league ready talent……that's a bad combination for a GM.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Mike DeRosa @MacacawitzProblem is that he seems to thrive in this type of environment.  There's never any urgency in anything the man says, and when he makes commitments to a timeline you can take them with a grain of salt.  He seems way to comfortable with the status quo. 

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

@Mike DeRosa @Macacawitz  even still Sandy is a big "Moneyball" guy like Beane. He believes in a philosophy that is so shaky. He tries to get all of the value of a pro,out of a discounted deal,no matter if they have been injured consistently or walking with crutches,because there too old.

            I could never see Sandy going out,and signing a championship quality player to a 100 yr deal or more. He was even hesitant  to give Granderson the 4th year. I will admit he is pretty reliable when it comes to trades,but as far as completing a championship team, I wouldn't rely on Sandy.

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

@Raymond Ayling @Pete Spaz  I think that Omar deserves credit for finding a gem like Dickey and under his tenure the organization drafted useful players like Niese, Gee (who probably has overachieved expectations that has surprised some in the Mets front office) Murphy, Parnell. But  with the exception of Ike Davis and Harvey (who as stated above was DEVELOPED under the Alderson regime) the reality is - as much as I like these players - none of them are high impact players. And essentially all of them are replaceable - though I do think that Parnell can develop into a borderline elite closer. And it is not to say that the organization shouldn't be happy that it has developed those players, they should be, they are useful players. But  none of those players - Harvey and Davis an exception - had the high impact hype of a Wright, Reyes (I know both are from the Phillips era), Wheeler, d'Arnaud, Montero, Syndergaard or even a Plawecki or Dominic Smith (though he is years away). I expect this year we will hear more about Nimmo (candidate to break out) as well. Of course hype is just hype. 


But I can't hate on Omar because when he was in charge the organization and team was in a different, win-now mode. His focus was not on the future in so much as it was on the present and trying to win a championship in 2006/2007/2008. He was focused on the Major League roster as a whole.   

sylow59
sylow59

If Omar was that good then why was the farm system so horrible? And explain Castillo, Ollie, ...

SuperDuper
SuperDuper

@bklyndude  

Jose Reyes was because of Omar. He found Reyes working as a Met scout.

Sandy didn't take over a team that had zero decent players. He had several decent players, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Pegan. He failed to flip them for prospects with the exception of Beltran.

andrew fisher
andrew fisher

@Brian Callahan @andrew fisherI'm not blaming Sandy.  Im just not praising him for aiding a bunch of crooked, selfish, miserly old rich brooklyn dodger fans keep their play toy at the expense of actual mets fans.

Brian Callahan
Brian Callahan

@andrew fisher @Brian Callahan  I think the team is definitely past Minaya's mistakes and now even benefiting from some of his draft picks and the minor league talent he brought in which I think was one of his talents but its just like you said, the Wilpons had major financial troubles, so how does the blame fall on Sandy?  If he couldn't spend money, what did people expect him to do?  That's why I'm saying, the state the team was in when Alderson took over, compared to now, I think it's a huge improvement even thought the W-L records might not show, down the road we're set up to potentially make a couple great runs.

andrew fisher
andrew fisher

@Brian Callahan @andrew fisherEvery single big market team has bad contracts.  But the way you get out of them isn't to completely deflate your payroll and field a minor league team for five straight seasons.  It's to continue to spend, make trades for elite players, go above slot in the draft, and trade off assets.  The idea that the current state of the team is still effected by Minaya is a complete cop out and joke, and is a talking point of shills like Cerrone to try to excuse the real reason we are here:  the wilpons had major financial troubles, and instead of selling the team to someone who can afford it, they hold onto it b/c Fred and Jeff think it is their birthright to own this team, and the fans be damned.

andrew fisher
andrew fisher

@Jim Alderson No one is complaining we don't have Reyes.  The complaint, which is more than valid, is that we had a tremendous chip to cash in, but b.c. the Wilpons wanted to sell seats, they just let him walk, which is INEXCUSABLE from a "rebuilding" team.

grandpamet
grandpamet

@Jon Pace  Look what Omar did to Meija, there is no telling the damage that Omar would have done to Harveys development