Terry Collins bullpen

Alderson admits the bullpen has been inconsistent

Sandy Alderson admits that his bullpen has “underperformed spectacularly in certain cases,” and has been inconsistent, he told columnist Kan Davidoff (NY Post, May 6).

The Mets have the second-worst save percentage in the National League.

According to Davidoff, a total of 19 Mets pitchers have recorded at least one save since Alderson traded Francisco Rodriguez in 2011.

“One of the issues we’ve faced is, because of the inconsistency, the lack of track records, we don’t have the luxury of set roles,” Alderson told Davidoff. “Hopefully that will develop over the next period of time.”

Alderson said in March that, with one or two exceptions, his Triple-A starting pitchers will get time working out of the bullpen in April and May to see how they may handle a possible role with the big-league team later this season. This could also help limit their workload, allowing for more innings later in the season, he added.

Triple-A RHP Jacob geGrom is next scheduled to start Wednesday, with Rafael Montero starting on Friday.

“I think we are getting to the point where it’s probably weeks as opposed to months,” assistant GM John Ricco said about deGrom and Montero contributing at the big-league level (Daily News, May 7).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I think in time, we’re going to see them promote a young arm or two, move some people around between the rotation and relief, and maybe even sign someone to a minor-league deal, all in effort to reconfigure what is happening in the bullpen. Their starters are pitching well, but it’s the sporadic bullpen that has been the difference. Alderson knows there is a season to save here, one with potential to surprise people, which leads me to believe he’ll pull the trigger on changes sooner than later.

There are 130 games left to play. Revamping and revitalizing the bullpen, with young power arms, could totally transform what this season is about. There is still time, but the clock is ticking…




65 comments
David Fernández
David Fernández

Oh ... And our hitting hasn't ... It's called denial ... The first step to getting better is admitting you have a problem ... Yeah, that's not the Mets ...

lholztrio
lholztrio

Our GM is incompetent.  Get busy you lazy good for nothing!  You have ruined this team.

gregf
gregf

And bring up Flores NOW! Tejada has had his fourth or fifth chance ... enough!

George Brezny
George Brezny

Inconsistent is the wrong word. Begins with a no and ends with a t...

chasesimms
chasesimms

Hire Captain Obvious as your new spokesperson Alderson.  

Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

These games are usually over once the starter leaves the mound. And with all that clutch hitting!!

Bob G
Bob G

How can you be the General Manager of the National League Franchise in New York…have your team as the butt of jokes all over the city, have one of the lowest payrolls in the league, have virtually no hope to come near a championship at anytime in the foreseeable future and still be arrogant?


Somehow Sandy does it...

xplr
xplr

I know this sounds like a broken record, but you get what you pay for. What do you expect when your key guys in the pen (Valverde, Dice K and Farnswarth) are all old and washed up?

too much damn talk june 1 ptpromote dagrom--Montero--keep germen==get rid of old man--matso sake---trade matasu--trade==oldpeople==call Arizona==call cubs--familia get rid of.

72tilltc
72tilltc

Alderson admits without providing steroids to Bob Whelch, smoke Stewart,Carney Lansford, McGuire etc. he would have an even longer losing streak as a gm.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

also get a new manager that's more asertive and doesn't mind ruffling some feathers...

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

Sign a shortstop, get some bullpen help and just maybe the team will surprise us come September...if not, be ready because here comes the snowdive to the cellar.

rico
rico

bullpens is a mess, but a few runs for the pitchers wouldn't hurt either.

i actually feel bad for Colon. Except for 2 games he's pitched well enough to win

Balonius
Balonius

“Hopefully that will develop over the next period of time.” or in layman's terms " do you mind if I use a straw when blowing smoke up your a**?"

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Well at least he admits it. Kind of like closing the barn door after all the animals escape. If the bullpen had been even marginally better the team would now be 19-13 instead of 16-16 (and within spitting-distance of the cellar). And now Rice and Torres are ailing. Could it perhaps be from overuse (and the lack of a second LHP)? We all understand the financial issues. We just don't care. Give us a reason to watch the games.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Why is Vic Black not up here yet? He was practically going to be handed the 8th inning job till he severely under impressed during spring training and it was decided he needed a little extra time in the minors. That's all well and good, young players shouldn't take anything for granted. Since that point he has posted a 0.73 era in a little over a month in one of the hardest minor league parks a pitcher can play in, while the Big league squad continues to have arguably the worst bullpen in baseball. Before we talk about detouring the careers of Mejia and Montero by moving them to the bullpen, why can't we promote a guy who actually is a reliever and is actually proving his worth.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Tired of the mets not acting fast enough to improve. They've been playing really well with what they have. Why not add some pieces and take advantage of this week division we're in. I don't get it.

They'll probably wait until the mets fall way behind the division and point to next year, as usual.

Brad Houser
Brad Houser

homeruns have been a big problem. way too many. 4 in 13 innings for Valverde? And of course Lannan gave up 3 in 4 innings.

Brad Houser
Brad Houser

Realistically, who stays and who goes? Torres needs to stay. German should stay. Familia is good when only used for one inning and could be part of the future so he needs to stay. Dice K seems okay but he should probably be a starter somewhere. Valverde had a few bad spots but otherwise hasn't been horrible. Same with Farnsworth. Rice seems like damaged goods - they don't appear to have any decent LH arm ready to replace him. Seems like the bigger probably has been Collins and his lack of bullpen management skills.

hashburry
hashburry

All the talk about how the bullpen will be changed in season gives me a headache.  Alderson has tried to build a bullpen on some ridiculous notion that relievers are so inconsistent you have to keep running a bunch of different guys out there every year and wait and see who works out.  Well, teams that are interested in winning at the very least invest in some proven arms that aren't "high risk, high reward" or in Metland, over the hill or coming off major injuries and can't get another job, and have at least a few reliable guys to start the season.  Alderson, on the other hand, builds a bullpen based on wishful thinking and then tries to explain it away as some kind of anomaly.  And the Mets aren't going to somehow transform this season, as Matt suggests, by bringing up some young arms and throwing them into roles they have never experienced before.  It will all be done under the guise that it worked for the Cardinals!

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

"Young power arms" translates to we don't want to spend money.  The Mets have Jeurys Familia and Gonzalez German in the bullpen.  They don't get younger or more powerful than that.  Why aren't they helping?  I've seen both of them pitch this season, and they are throwers (to borrow a term used to describe Bobby Parnell).  They look like they're pitching batting practice out there.

So basically you're saying that we have to wait for the "super two" deadline to pass so the Mets can bring up the Las Vegas 51s starting rotation to toil in the bullpen for the rest of the season.  Man!  That really makes me excited!

javy180
javy180

Mets ARE Cheap Why didn't they sign Rodney Rodgers?

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Suppose the Mets someday DO have a bullpen loaded with Live, Young, Power Arms...


Who has any faith in Terry's ability to properly manage this hypothetical bullpen?  I sure don't


#FREEWALLY

Jerry Colfer
Jerry Colfer

Inconsistent? Inconsistent? INCONSISTENT???

Your approach at SS, now that was inconsistent. Your fan base is passionate and understands you had a lot of work to do to at all levels, but when things slip (like 90 wins) it gets blown out of proportion. Granted the win target was meant to be an internal motivator, but someone has a big mouth and it raises expectations.

Fans are losing patience. Wright is not providing power, granderson has struggled, EY has been bad and Duda's OPS has dropped with less than impressive power numbers. SS is a glaring failure leading to an overall team INCONSISTENCY.

So the pen is inconsistent, the position players are inconsistent, the front office is inconsistent. The fans are dispondent.

ctsteve
ctsteve

Alderson should have said HE is the one who has "underperformed spectacularly" in putting together a team on another low budget that is having another poor year despite past assurances that 2014 would be the turning point upward for the Mets.

Mike Caravella
Mike Caravella

Black and Flores need to come up now. I know they have flaws, but they are better than what we are putting out there. I don't want to hear about Flores' defense. Tejada and Quintanilla are both borderline average fielders at best. So whatever downturn there is would be negligible with the added offense he would give. And give either Black, or Germen of Familia the closer job, and lets at least appear to be trying to build a contender. Whenever we actually do contend in the next few years, Valverde, Farnsworth, Dice-K and Colon won't be here, and they certainly don't put fannies in the seats so stop wasting everyones time. Oh yeah….and F Collins. I'm 45 and have been a die hard for 40 of them. He is probably the dumbest manager in Mets history.

Ramon Pena
Ramon Pena

yes bring up Flores he is a better player than tejada and Quintanilla put together. an can some one tell why is Cesar Puello siiting in vegas bench we r building for the future why is he not playing

drmetfan
drmetfan

Inconsistent? LOL! There is no bullpen. And whoever pitches well for a short period of times gets overused and burned up. Do Carlos Torres and Scott Rice sound familiar?

mustang66
mustang66

r emoves needs to be made in hours not days or weeks. Vic black and a guy name Sokoloff I'm lighting it up in AAA. Black is 073 DRA and SoCO

is 220.Vegas is like pitching in Denverso these numbers are awesome. They also have too short stops in AA. Tovar I was up for a cup of coffee is batting350 or so and Matt Reynolds has an un beso 411. I would bring these two guys up and send Ruben and Q. I would also bring up erica Campbell and Brown both batting above 350. there is hope for right now and these guys above R it

90wins
90wins

A lot of bullpens are inconsistent, not just the Mets'. It's TC's management of the bullpen that is the most inconsistent.

Jimmy Tighe
Jimmy Tighe

Jeez Sandy, it doesn't take an Ivy League education to figure that one out!

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

Great. Let's ruin the young arms in an effort to save a bad season. 


Mike
Mike

@Zach Goeringer  Have you seen his walk rate?Do you really want someone that wild being your 8th inning lock down guy? Let the guy work out the kinks before he comes to the majors again. 



Mike Gentils
Mike Gentils

@Chapter 7  The NL East is the only division in baseball that has every team above .500, so it's not that bad. I'll agree that the Nats and Braves have under performed up to this point.

vimets
vimets

@javy180 you answered your own question.

Bob G
Bob G

@Victor Triguero  There you go VT, you nailed it…with you 100000%


Look at what Matt said…maybe we can sign someone to a minor league contract…is that the kind of player we want to IMPROVE the team, more retreads that have failed time and time again. WHAT ABOUT SIGNING A REAL MAJOR LEAGUER! ANYONE, ANYWHERE..


Glad I'm rooting for the SALVATION ARMY METS!

IrishFenn
IrishFenn

@Bob Giacalone This season was lost before it started so rather than waste the slim budget you had on Colon, Granderson, Young and the cavalcade of retreads why not find out what you have in the young, unproven guys?

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Mike @Zach Goeringer He's 26 years old and out pitching ever reliever we have. he does walk a lot of guys but it doesn't lead to much being that he's given up 1 run in a month. I would rather a guy who is a little erratic but very hard to hit then a guy who doesn't walk many guys yet gets shelled, we have 5 of those already.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Looks like they don't have a problem winning with Flores at SS.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@benjamin schwarz @Bob GiacaloneSure they are. Haven't you read any of the posts?  All of a sudden the St. Louis Cardinals model is the one the Mets front office is envying right now.  The Cardinals seem to risk all their young arms in the bullpen.  I guess that works when all of the other aspects of your roster are performing up to or beyond expectations.

But the Mets aren't the Cardinals.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

I wish they televised the LV games

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@Chapter 7  No sir, nor do they with Wally in the dugout... but of course "Managers don't make any difference"