Seven players file for arbitration

Ike Davis, Lucas Duda, Dillon Gee, Daniel Murphy Bobby Parnell, Ruben Tejada and Eric Young, Jr. all filed for salary arbitration on Tuesday.

The Mets have until Friday to present them with numbers on a new contract. In the event the team and player do not agree on a 2014 salary, the dispute is handled by an arbitrator, who will choose between the two sides. The player and team can still negotiate a deal after agreeing to go to arbitration.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Jan. 11: I wonder if part of the hesitation in trading for Davis is not knowing how much money he’ll make in 2014. It’s assumed he’ll end up earning around $3.5 million, but maybe it’s more, maybe it’s less, which would certainly impact his trade value, while also increasing or decreasing the likelihood he’s cut during spring training… just a thought.

This table lists each player’s service time, 2013 salary and MLBTR’s projected 2014 salary…

Player Service Time 2013 Salary Projected 2014 Salary
Daniel Murphy 4.1 $2.9 million $5.8 million
Ike Davis 3.1 $3.1 million $3.5 million
Dillon Gee 3.0 $527,000 $3.4 million
Bobby Parnell 4.1 $1.7 million $3.2 million
Eric Young Jr. 3.1 $490,000 $1.9 million
Lucas Duda 2.1 $520,000 $1.8 million
Ruben Tejada 2.1 $514,000 $1.0 million

94 comments
TurkWendell4Life
TurkWendell4Life

Duda is the only piece we don't need but for a cheap deal hard to drop. Just like a adventure game, keep him in storage

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

i do not know about you they say that late August starts the dog days of summer of the season. well is this time of Jan the Dog Days of winter offseason.  I want spring i want Baseball i am getting the itch again.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Tejada didn't play in the majors most of 2013....What warrants a salary raise or arbitration? I guess you can say the same thing for Parnell. I don't get a raise for not showing up to work, why should they?

David Wright
David Wright

Kick the 6.3M (Ike, Dud and the Rube) pile of trash to the curb and apply that money toward real major leaguers.

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

Please listen me out before you throw this out . I know the Mets may not contend this year . i am a realist why not put a combo of Tejada and Flores at ss . I know Flores is not good in range but give him a try there anyway . To get his bat in lineup maybe he will hit enough and just make the plays he can get too and sure we maybe limited in the field like we are with Murphy at second but because Murphy can hit he makes up for it somewhat. see first what Flores is then see in 2015 for a better ss idea but right now we have nothing actually to lose . Just to get Flores's bat in the lineup.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

That's roughly an additional 14 million dollars if the estimated arbitration salaries are correct. So we will be at around 100 mil in salary?

Richard J Brienza
Richard J Brienza

Yeah 3.1 million is really worth 3/4 of a season with valley fever..at least Murph hustles every day given

Anna Johnson
Anna Johnson

I might be crazy, but if the roster remains as it stands I'd make Davis the everyday 1st baseman and give him one more chance to get it together. First of all, we aren't going to the playoff this year. Secondly, Davis' ceiling is high, even if he is unlikely to reach it. He is two years removed from a (approximately) 30/100 year. It wasn't a good year nonetheless, but Davis hit in the second half of that year and last year. He hasn't completely collapsed, although he may. Next year is the time to see if he's on the verge of pulling together or if he's Jeff Francoeur. There is little to lose, and Duda is not going to be a star. Davis, as unlikely as it may be, could possibly be one. He did indeed struggle more than anyone should ever struggle to hit in MLB the past two seasons. But he has the potential to be a power hitter with a decent average--don't forget that in his patchwork time in the majors, he has had stretches of hitting for a very good average. I'm not saying it's likely he'll pull it together. I'm saying these are the options--let Duda play, find out if he can be a slightly-below-average for a playoff team hitter and an unembarrassing defender, and miss the playoffs and probably pursue another 1b at some point soon. Or, let Davis play, find out if he can get it together, and miss the playoffs, but with a small but real chance of finding out we have a star caliber first baseman, and a somewhat larger but also real chance of finding out we have a merely pretty good 1st baseman. 


In other words, in another year that will be about trying to make incremental progress toward the top of the division, we have no really goof options at first base. We have one player who we sort of know what he'll do, and hope he'll live up to his potential and hit .270/26/82 (or platoon with Satin that we hope will add up to around that). Then we know he can hold the spot until something better comes along.


Or, put Davis in and find out whether he's going to hit .000001--.247 with sporadic bursts of power that will add up to 22--43 home runs and 63--150 RBI, The high ends of those ranges are extremely unlikely but they are POSSIBLE, and they ARE NOT possible for Lucas Duda (or, I should say, too improbable to consider). Of course if Davis went 43/150 I'd be shocked beyond words. But the point is I would be very surprised but not shocked if he was given an everyday slot and hit .260/35/112. And if he did that (and did it without any prolonged slumps breaking it up) we would have 1st base solved. Duda (or Duda/Satin) is not going to solve first base, he is just going to hold it together for a while. Or, to be honest, it is possible he'd step up enough to make us want to go into 2015 with him, and it's probably more likely he'll do that than that Davis will excel. But because we are not going to win the WS this year anyway, I think the potential upside of Ike Davis, protected by Wright and Granderson, outweighs the difference in likelihood between him doing really well and Duda doing pretty well. 


My predictions are often wrong and my player evaluation is not particularly educated or rigorous, so don't take it too seriously...I liked the Jason Bay signing (a lot of people of course did). I actually liked the Perez signing because I thought he'd turned a corner in 2008 where when he was bad he wasn't abysmal and he was often good. I wanted to keep Reyes, and I think that would have been a mistake (although I kind of knew it deep down at the time) because of his injuries. I thought 1992 was going to be a killer year, and looking back the roster was not commensurate with the hype (although I thought Bonilla would be much better, which was a reasonable expectation, and I thought Hojo was going to break the sucking-every-other-year curse--instead he broke the being-good-every-other-year trend). I don't really know what I'm talking about. Nevetheless, I feel that this would be the right move, although I wouldn't go so far as to predict it would work out. It is just a low risk move with a high upside for a team that doesn't have a lot to lose by taking it. 

Robert C. Smith
Robert C. Smith

Good heavens. Davis should have been given the bum's rush outta town weeks ago, except that our "Moneyball" mavens in the front office were too busy trying to fleece other teams out of real prospects for a guy who hasn't hit above .230 in ages. If anyone can understand this sort of thing, clue me in because Davis/Duda/Tejada don't COMBINE to make a real starting MLB player. Cut your losses and move on, Mets!

James B Conklin Jr
James B Conklin Jr

They should cut the pay of Ike Davis, Lucas Duda and Ruben Tejada after the way they played last year.  Very bad to start spring training and maybe season with so many one dimensional first basemen.

arc34
arc34

Drew needs to be signed....even if it means a second year.  He is worth more than two more wins to the Mets compared to whom else we can run out there to SS.

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

I would crap my pants if an arbitrator gives Tejada a million dollars.

eric88
eric88

Do not platoon Flores, play him everday!  He will rake! Satin is a nobody, a fring  player. They are both right handed anyway.

Chris Miller
Chris Miller

I don't understand the delay, drop Ike since we are obviously not getting anything in trade for him and let Wilmer and Satin platoon at first. Trade Duda to the AL for a bag of baseballs. Take money saved and go get Drew for the 2 years, and IF we are in contention this year keep him if not trade him at the trade deadline and sign a better SS next off season!

dannym28
dannym28

trade ike to save 1.5 million, how dumb. 

mets2891
mets2891

My god I would love to be the guy arguing against Duda's case.

eric88
eric88

Tejada 1million He hit .210.!!  Ike 3.5 million !! Duda !!, Waive this crap. They are albatrosses. S!!ign Drew with the money and put Wilmer Flores at 1st base and thereby upgrade 2 positions at once.

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

cut Ike before the the start of the season, no way he's worth 3.5mm!!!

Metsnow
Metsnow

3.5M  and a raise for Ike??? This is totally embarrassing and fully explains why sports salaries are ridiculous. He deserves a raise like......you can fill in the blank________.

chasesimms
chasesimms

Offer Davis and Duda $125,000.  That seems about right.  Take it or leave it.

sayhey24
sayhey24

Back in the day, most of these guys would have faced pay cuts. Viva la Flood.

Hodges14
Hodges14

another case of disappearing comments in this thread

petehasglu
petehasglu

@Robert C. Smith When Davis hits 40 bombs next year on someone else's squad with his .230 avg you will all cry.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@eric88 and just be done with it seriously I don't get it

arc34
arc34

@Andrew Wharton That falls under.....money for nothing and your chicks for free, mantra...LOL!

zoddie
zoddie

@mets2891I'll take that bait.  I'll argue on Duda's side.  You start.

Jimmy P.
Jimmy P.

Only in America can a guy be miserable at his job and earn more than 90% of the population.

metstastic
metstastic

@chasesimmsRight.. Davis and Duda will counter with 5M and the arbitrator will give them somewhere close to the middle of that. That's how it works.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@sayhey24 the pendulum has swung to the other side.  It was wrong then and its wrong now.

stemog
stemog

@Hodges14Thought I was going nuts there. Vanishing before my very eyes!

nolrog
nolrog

@petehasglu When Davis bats .202 next year with 6 HRs and 38 RBIs on the Mets, you will cry because we kept him.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@petehasglu @Robert C. Smith Why?  There have been plenty of players who can't hack it in NY but can do it elsewhere.  If moving to a less stressful environment can get Ike's career back on track then good for him.  The Mets need to be concerned with the Mets.  Not what one of their failed players could do elsewhere.

zoddie
zoddie

@Jimmy P.Because Ike Davis is REALLY, REALLY good at his job.  He is one of the 750 best baseball players in the world.

Compared to the hundreds of millions the owners make every year, $3.5m is a joke.  To put it another way, I'd rather the players get the money than owners like the Wilpons.  I pay to see the players.  They should get paid.

oleosmirf
oleosmirf

@metstastic @chasesimms wrong. The way arbitration works is both side present a number. You take the midpoint of the two submissions and if what the arbitrator chooses is closest to the team or the player, then the final salary is the actual submission


Ex. Ike asks for 5 million, Mets offer 1 million. Midpoint is then 3 mil. If the arbitrator decides the value is 3.01 mil or higher, Ike gets 5 million. If the arbitrator decides 2.99 mil or less, Ike gets 1 million.


That's how baseball arbitration works.

zoddie
zoddie

@Hodges14@sayhey24Owners are making more money than ever.  Attendance is at all-time highs and TV deals are way higher than they've ever been.  Only fair that some of this gets passed on to the players since they're the ones we are actually, ya know, paying to see.

zoddie
zoddie

@Andrew Vazzano@Hodges14Do us all a favor and convince the powers that be to go back to disq-s.  Way fewer problems, easier to keep track of stuff, better for the community.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Andrew Vazzano @Hodges14

Thanks.  There was nothing abusive or vulgar in the posts.  If it helps your investigation I've seen the same thing a few times over the last week or so.

mets2891
mets2891

@oleosmirf Exactly, the whole point is you have to come up with realistic numbers and that forces that to happen.

zoddie
zoddie

@Hodges14@zoddie@sayhey24The Mets have to compete with other teams in the majors.  Therefore, for salaries, it matters what other teams are doing and how much money they are making and spending.


Why people side with billionaires instead of the players always seems odd to me.


As for Ike, he was 5th in the league in HRs in 2012.  $3.5m is a joke in today's marketplace.  Not saying he won't crater in 2014, but the if $3.5m is a deterrent to finding out, the Mets are in more financial trouble that we thought.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@zoddie @Hodges14 @sayhey24 Attendance isn't at all-time highs in Queens and I'm not suggesting that players who perform well should not receive good salaries.  We're talking about Ike Davis.  Given what he has produced on the field he is fortunate to still be in the majors.

zoddie
zoddie

@Andrew Vazzano @chasesimms It isn't only the bugs.  It was the better notifications, the ability to downvote, little things like that.  I'm not sure what benefits Livefyre offers in terms of management, but they aren't obvious at all to all of the commenters here.

Coq de Pierre
Coq de Pierre

@metsfanman  The business model does not consider the needs of the commentariat. It focuses on page clicks and Wilpon happiness.

Until those page clicks decline enough to create some form of negative reinforcement (declining ad revenue), this is what you get.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@metsfanman I think you need to understand it wasn't just a MetsBlog decision... it came from SNY.  I'm sure there were various reasons for the switch (maybe Disqus wasn't giving them a very good deal) and we'll never know all of them.  Let the guys work out the kinks.  Remember they don't charge us any fee to use this site.

metsfanman
metsfanman

@Andrew Vazzano Respectfully disagree with the decision (and it seems like I am far from being alone) and would ask you to reconsider. I think it's hard to say that a website catered to fans has improved if the fans don't agree that it has. There was definitely a greater sense of community with the old format and it was a little bit easer to follow other people's posts as well. Also, from a business perspective, I think it would make more sense (and cents) for you guys since I believe that more people were commenting and following the website with the old system.

Andrew Vazzano
Andrew Vazzano moderator

@zoddie @Hodges14 We have no plans of going back to Disqus.

chasesimms
chasesimms

@Hodges14@Andrew Vazzano Its happened to me too.  Also, nothing "abusive or vulgar."  Although, this new comments formats makes me want to be abusive and vulgar.  Haa!  Just kidding.  For the most part.

Andrew Vazzano
Andrew Vazzano moderator

@Hodges14 Really? Good to know... Thanks!

stemog
stemog

@Hodges14@stemogI was actually replying to a post when the post and my reply disappeared as I was typing.