Stephen Drew (AP)

Stephen Drew rumors: Yankees out on Drew

The Yankees will not sign free agent SS Stephen Drew, GM Brian Cashman said (Gammons, Dec. 31).

The Mets remain in contact with Scott Boras about Drew and they’re pursuing him similarly to the pursuit of Michael Bourn last winter, who’s market shrunk substantially toward spring training last winter (Carig, Dec. 29).

The Mets could opt to go with Ruben Tejada instead, who special assistant JP Ricciardi has said the team is comfortable with as their opening day shortstop (WEEI, Dec. 27).

Meanwhile, the Red Sox feel they have all the leverage in negotiations and may soon make a one-year, take-it-or-leave-it offer (Abraham, Dec. 27). The Mets are also only interested in signing Drew to a one or a two-year deal (Kernan, Dec. 23Cafardo, Dec. 22).

Michael Baron, Contributor

The Yankees bowing out of the Drew sweepstakes can only help the Mets, as this limits Drew’s market currently to Queens and Boston. And, if Boston only offers Drew a one-year deal, the Mets could conceivably offer Drew two guaranteed years, or a year plus an easily attainable option, which would be a very team-friendly situation for them.

In early December, Sandy Alderson said if he was going to upgrade shortstop with a high-profile player, it was more likely to happen via a trade than the free-agent market. However, while Diamonbacks SS Didi Gregorious and Indians SS Asdrubal Cabrera are reportedly available, the cost is currently high-end pitching, something the Mets have indicated they are unwilling to move right now (Carig, Dec. 29).




202 comments
dexx
dexx

I'm all about signing Drew, but a thought crossed my mind as I've been thinking about our current state.  What could the Mets reasonably expect in return for a package of Ike Davis, Wilmer Flores & Rafael Montero?  I would think Baltimore would be interested in that package as Machado is out for a bit with a knee injury and Flores could play 3B until he's healthy, and they've been mentioned in trade rumors surrounding Ike Davis.  They are also looking for another SP, but don't want to spend a lot of money, and Montero is about as ready as a prospect can be.


Cleveland isn't sold on Chisenhall at 3B, and he bats LH.  Flores would pair nicely with him at 3B, and they could use Ike at 1B/DH some.  They are also looking for young inexpensive SP after losing Ubaldo Jimenez & Scott Kazmir.


How about Ike Davis, Wilmer Flores & Rafael Montero to the Indians for Asbrubal Cabrera & SS prospect Rony Rodriguez, who should be in AA/AAA to start 2014?  I'm not a big fan of Assdribble, but we could have him play SS in 2014, and then have a young full of potential SS ready to play in 2015.  The Indians would still have Francisco Lindor, who they want to take over at SS this season, & Dorsys Paulino, who is their #4 prospect playing SS in High A/AA, and Jose Ramirez 2B/SS AAA/MLB.  They also have Aviles on the major league roster that plays 2B/3B/SS.


Could be an interesting match.

Izeaac Izenhower
Izeaac Izenhower

Has EY jr. Ever played SS? Athletically he seems capable. It would be a nice way to get him into the lineup

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

I like the idea of the Mets signing Drew for two reasons 


1. Drew seems to be valuable not only by what he brings as a hitter, but the intangibles he brings as well. He seems to be one of those gritty players that are good but not great players who have that X-factor you need to win a pennet (Red Sox were filled with them last year, Victorino, Napoli, Drew ext) 


2. Adding Drew would only add to the assets the Mets have. Tejada still has potential to be a starting caliber SS...if Tejada figures it out, one of them could become trade bait down the road...

Mike
Mike

I would be more inclined to believe a mystery team was in if those teams outside the top 10 picks didn't have to surrender a 1st rounder. The odds are the Red Sox don't match the QO in terms of money if Drew comes crawling back. Put the Mets in prime position to offer him a 2 year deal worth 25 million or so, give up the 3rd round pick in a deep draft where they can still find talent in the 4th round and later and get an upgrade at SS for minimal commitment in terms of money and years.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Mets need Drew AND Choo and lets talk about the World Series

albanymets
albanymets

"who's market" -> "whose market"

jweiss
jweiss

Give drew 3yr/36m. With the third year being an option year based on performance.


Cf-young Jr

2B-Murphy

3B-Wright

1B-Davis

Rf-Granderson

Lf-young

Ss-drew

C-d'Arnaud



Sign me up. AND DONT TRADE IKE! we are in a position where we cant afford to potentially trade 30 hrs for a 5th starter/bullpen piece. 


Sign me up. 

Vic Scarpelli
Vic Scarpelli

If the sox only offer one yr then Drew should sign w mets for 2 . They better offer it

Olerud42
Olerud42

Two years of Drew could be helpful

dexx
dexx

Happy New Year Mets Fans.  Lets sign Drew and go get a pennant

maxster
maxster

Tejada 210AB's, 0 HR's, 10RBI's .210BA, 0SB's, Drew is a Superstar compared to Tejada!  3 innngs per game Tejada & Pitcher bat, how can you win? Cheap Mets are at 78 million right now, estimated to be 27th in MLB in payroll in'14

yankeehater
yankeehater

the sox supposedly have leverage....and are only offering one year. Why in the world don't the mets at least offer the 2 years and be done with it? if he accepts it fine, if he doesn't....whatever. Why are we playing games over ONE year? As many here have already stated, the good SS free agents are going to be snagged by the teams with money next year and the mets are going to be shut out. Sign drew for 2 years and hope that things change going into 2016.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

This has a 3rd unknown team sneaking in and stealing him written all over it. I love how Baron is certain the market is down to Boston and the Mets and in no way could another team get involved.

jweiss
jweiss

@Mike I agree 100%. This should be a no-brainer. This is a dream situation for the mets. There is no market and i haven't herd that he has received any offers. If you asked the mets the first week of the off-season if thy could have drew for 2yrs 25 mil i think they would have taken that deal and ran with it. He would be a big time upgrade offensively for the SS position.


Drew .256/.333.443 13HR

Tejada- .202/.259/.260 0 HR

Tejada's best year-  .289/.333/.351 1HR

Quintanilla .222/.306/.283 2HR


The best we have seen from Tejada is not even nearly as good as the numbers we just saw from Drew. 


ITS SO OBVIOUS! PULL THE TRIGGER SANDY 

Jon Forsyth
Jon Forsyth

No lol I'm an optimist but choo (who as mentioned signed last week) and drew would not make this team a lock for the world series lol

losmets86
losmets86

Choo signed with Texas last week.

dexx
dexx

@pochemu You would rather have Tejada than Drew?  Did I read that correctly?

frasco
frasco

@jweiss agree with everything except having Young Jr playing CF. I think that we will have to go into the season with an unconventional lead off hitter. The thing is that we cant lose Lagares Defense for a mediocre hitter. 

nagel100
nagel100

@yankeehater agree. a 2 year deal for Drew makes this a solid off-season for the Mets.  in fact a surprising off season.  i expected nothing and we may have come away with a very good one.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Ryan Flanagan Hate to admit but I could see the Yankees coming in to grab him for a two year deal. Just because they can and do they really trust Jeter to be healthy all year long and Ryan to hold the fort? I don't know but the way they spend money I could see it. But it wouldn't surprise me if a third team did jump in

Herb Goldstein
Herb Goldstein

@losmets86 I think he sneezed while posting his comment. The Mets need Drew (Ah Choo) and lets talk about the World Series.

So, to talk about the World Series, with Drew Granderson and Young added to the offense, if the rotation of Niese, Wheeler, Colon, Gee and possibly Mejia comes through, we could get to the playoffs. And a front 4 like that might just go further.

jweiss
jweiss

@frasco @jweiss I agree. Lagares and young should split time. But we need a leadoff hitter and hes our best option. Murphy is  not a leadoff hitter

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

You justify Drew getting paid more than Tulo because they signed their deals in different years and under different economic conditions. Tejada makes more than Honus Wagner did that doesn't mean Tejada is better. Gee makes more than Seaver did in his best year. Same idea

jweiss
jweiss

@John McNamara @jweiss almost all free agents are overpaid.  2yr 24m with  third option year is not bad for a free agent ss. Look at peralta he got 4 years/52m. 

dexx
dexx

@pochemu@jweiss You want a 1B that hits .200  9  HRs, and you don't want a SS that hits .260   10-15  HRs & plays dynamite defense?

jweiss
jweiss

@pochemu you wamt to run tejada out their 140 times this year? Tejada should be our backup MI

ignatius
ignatius

@Tarheel11 @maxster Yes, all that is true. But you still have to spend the money well. Big contracts can destroy teams if guys get hurt or underperform - how do you think the Angels feel about Pujols and Hamilton? The Tigers already dealt Prince Fielder because of his huge contract. What happened to us with Bay and Santana? Or, Good God, Bobby Bonilla? You have to be a careful with this stuff. I agree that payroll should be over 100 million in NYC, but with no big bats in free agency and an unwillingness to deal Synndergaard or Wheeler (which I agree with) it's going to have to be these sort of average-to-good pieces on short-to-mid term contracts. 


Hopefully in 2015 when Harvey comes back payroll can be expanded, because a team with Harvey, Wheeler, Synndergaard, Niese, and Gee or Montero in the starting rotation (with Gee or Montero traded for a bat) can be really dangerous. That team needs to be given every legitimate chance to make the postseason.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Steven Matregrano  Ok buddy. I'm going to try to do this without insulting you which you apparently have a problem with. As you've been told before by others on this site. 

Since you are hung up on age and experience let's look at this two ways. 

Since Tejada has been in the league 4 years, let's look at the first 4 years of each one's career.


             AVG    OBP     SLUG    OPS    Extra Base Hits A/B     

Drew   .270      .326      .445       .771    .10443

Tejada .259     .323      .319       .642    .05592


When I went to school the math would show Drew is better


Since you don't want to look at career numbers and you are hung up on age, the only other way you can look at this is seasons at a similar age. Now since the only age they have in common is age 23 lets look at that season for each.


              AVG    OBP     SLUG    OPS    Extra Base Hits  A/B    

Drew   .316     .357      .517      .874     .1106

Tejada .202    .259      .260      .519      .05769


Hmmmm..................



Just for fun, let's look at career numbers


               AVG   OBP   SLUG  OPS  Extra Base Hits A/B

Drew    .264    .329    .435    .764      .1025

Tejada .259    .323    .319    .642      .0559



Now, ALL of these numbers have NOTHING to do with injuries. They are all averages and therefore take into account missing time, as they both have. 

As you can see Drew wins every category over every time period. Pretty sure you can't argue with that.


Now if you want to start pulling out individual seasons, you can certainly do that but then do it for Drew also. And guess what he wins that argument too.


I have nothing against you Steve but please don't tell me I don't have any knowledge at all. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Steven Matregrano Besides the fact that you want to keep throwing out that Drew is injury prone. Well Tejada hasn't exactly been a picture of health. As well as the fact that you have to question his desire. Two years ago they wanted him to come to camp early to work with Murphy at second and he didn't. Last year he came to camp overweight. So you have a 24 year old who has issues with dedication? Come on! 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Steven Matregrano Can you please stop with this! Do yourself a favor and go look up their stats. First look at career numbers and then go look at Drew's first four years versus Tejada's four years. Then you can even go look at Drew's age 23 & 24 seasons versus Tejada's age 23 & 24 seasons. Drew's numbers are better across the board. The real difference is in extra base hits. Tejada is a singles hitter. Drew drives almost twice as many extra base hits per AB in career, first four years and ages 23-24. He has always generated more offense than Tejada. 

And don't even start on defense. No one thinks Tejada has ever been better than Drew defensively. Drew is the better player at every age. I'm not saying he's a stud, but he is a better player all around and he makes the team better. Plain and simple

dexx
dexx

@Joseph Baffi@jweiss@dexx@pochemu He has never hit .270


He has hit more than 19  HR in a season one time.


He has had 80  RBI or more one time.


What would make you think he would all of a sudden have his career best batting average, triple the amount of HRs that he hit last season, and 50 more RBIs than he had last season?  Did he start taking steroids?

jweiss
jweiss

@dexx @pochemu @jweiss I want a 1B who hit 30 hrs two years ago and has hit 260 not so long ago. I agree its not the best situation. But out of all the  options we have he has the highest ceiling. And  I want a SS who has more then 4 career homeruns. 

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Payroll has gone down true hut spending has greatly increased

ignatius
ignatius

@Tarheel11 @ignatius @maxster Yeah, I know. You could well be right. All I will say, perhaps too optimistically, is that we can't talk about this offseason's spending until the offseason is over, and it isn't - it's far from over. A lot of guys are left, including Drew. And as far as the Drew signing goes, it's a negotiation. I agree that 2 years of Drew is a good move - I actually prefer it significantly to signing him for a year, and way, way more than Tejada. But you don't want to bid against yourself. Everything indicates this bidding is in a holding pattern, and the Red Sox are trying to get him as a cheap one-year insurance policy for Bogarts and Middlebrooks. The Mets may be exploring trade options, seeing if the asking price for people like Didi Gregorious, Chris Owings, Brad Miller and Nick Franklin comes down as the season nears and those guys are potentially extra pieces. There isn't a big need to rush. You want to get the best guy for the best price. I like Drew, but that qualifying offer means there won't be a huge battle for his services. If the Mets really do start the year with Ruben Tejada as the shortstop I'll be just as pessimistic as you are. But I don't anticipate that happening with Drew available, as well as the 4 Arizona/Seattle guys.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@ignatius @Tarheel11 @maxster And do you really think they are going to spend more next year? What gives you that idea? I wish they would but the last few years since all this Madoff stuff their payroll has gone down every year. Logic tells you their payroll will be 80M next year. Their money problems aren't going away anytime soon. Sure if they get a huge increase in attendance this year (don't see that happening), they could spend more. But I just don't see them doing that. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@ignatius @Tarheel11 @maxster Could not agree more. My point is yes to spend smart but it's embarassing when a NY team can't afford a ML SS because they can't afford a two year deal? Disgusting! That's my point exactly. You have a situation where you can go get a legit SS on a reasonable two year deal, do it! It's not like he's asking for a 5 year deal. 


And don't forget everybody loved the Bay deal when he signed because compared to what Holiday got from St Louis Bay was cheaper and shorter deal. No one saw that coming that Bay couldn't hit a beach ball. 


niesesnose
niesesnose

Not enough, but I think the Yankees have turned their attention to Tanaka

dexx
dexx

@niesesnose And how many games has Roberts been healthy in the last 4 years at age 33, 34, 35 & 36 that would make anyone think he is gonna be healthy at age 37?

niesesnose
niesesnose

@Tarheel11 @niesesnose Also the more it "drags on" the more his value drops. I just don't see a mystery team getting involved, Astros? Nope, still rebuilding and have nice middle IF depth. Twins? Probably out of money after spending it all on SP's, and if there not, the remaining money will go to Arroyo

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@niesesnose The longer it drags on with Drew the more likely a third team might decide to jump in. More reason for SA to try to push for him to get it done. 

niesesnose
niesesnose

It's highly unlikely they drop in and get him. It's probably between the Mets and the Saux. The yankees will probably play Ryan/Johnson at third with jeter at ss and roberts/johnson at second. When Jeter inevitably goes down, it'll be Johnson, Ryan and Roberts