Stephen Drew

Stephen Drew rumors: Mets are waiting out Drew’s market

The Mets remain in contact with Scott Boras about free agent SS Stephen Drew, and they’re pursuing Drew similarly to the pursuit of Michael Bourn last winter, who’s market shrunk substantially toward spring training last winter (Carig, Dec. 29).

The Mets could opt to go with Ruben Tejada, who special assistant JP Ricciardi has said the team is comfortable with as their opening day shortstop (WEEI, Dec. 27).

Michael Baron, Contributor

The Mets are playing this right and saying all the right things in public by indicating Tejada is still an option. I don’t think that’s a lie – if the Mets can’t find someone else, Tejada is their shortstop by default.

Drew is a definite upgrade to Tejada right now, and he would bridge the gap between today’s lack of options at short to tomorrow’s bevy of options in Dilson Herrera, Amed Rosario and Gavin Cecchini. But, Drew’s not great, he clearly has a limited market at the moment, and teams don’t seem willing to pay the price in a trade to acquire other inexpensive options. This could leave the Mets in a good position to sign Drew on their terms as the offseason moves into the later stages.


Meanwhile, the Red Sox feel they have all the leverage in negotiations and may soon make a one-year, take-it-or-leave-it offer (Abraham, Dec. 27). The Mets are also only interested in signing Drew to a one or a two-year deal (Kernan, Dec. 23Cafardo, Dec. 22).

Boras has attempted to engage the Mets to sign Drew and Kendrys Morales (Crasnick, Dec. 22), but the Mets are not focused on upgrading at first base (Baron, Dec. 22).

In early December, Sandy Alderson said if he was going to upgrade shortstop with a high-profile player, it was more likely to happen via a trade than the free-agent market. However, while Diamonbacks SS Didi Gregorious and Indians SS Asdrubal Cabrera are reportedly available, the cost is currently high-end pitching, something the Mets have indicated they are unwilling to move right now (Carig, Dec. 29).




221 comments
pimpinbell
pimpinbell

"The Mets remain in contact with Scott Boras about free agent SS Stephen Drew, and their pursuing Drew similarly to their pursuit of Michael Bourn last winter, who’s market shrunk substantially towards Spring Training last winter." 

Jeez, I cannot even begin to count the number of horrific grammatical errors in that sentence. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

I don't claim to be an expert on this kid Owings but I wouldn't trade Montero for him. Owings already has strikeout issues in the minors according to Sickels which will obviously get worse in the majors. His numbers last year inflated because of playing in Reno and he's already had plantar fasciitis in both feet. Isn't that something likely to be an ongoing issue potentially? 

So why trade a young power arm for that? Sign Drew for two years

maxster
maxster

Drew last year had similar OPS, RBI's, HR's [Same as a lefty in Boston!} as Daniel Murphy, the Mets best hit man!! Tejada hit .202, 0 HR's, 10 RBI's, in .210 AB"s. WOW! Also Drew is a good defensive player and Tejada

is not.  Drew would make the Mets a contender when added to the mix, with Tejada, no chance, not with the crap we have at 1b. Give him the damn 3 years, get this done, the last piece. Trade him after 2 years if need be. The current payroll projection is only 78 million. WAKE UP SANDY, don't screw this up.

maxster
maxster

You all know that Drew would rather stay in Boston .He is holding out for 3 years from someone else. I believe if he is only getting a 2 year offer from a small market payroll team who as failed to compete or one year from Boston, he would probably stay there and try again next year. I don't think there is any way he comes here for two years.

Joseph
Joseph

The Mets will sign him for two year's. He will upgrade the middle infield.

maxster
maxster

Don't wait to long!!

kappyesq
kappyesq

I agree, Baron, that the Mets are putting on a show for Drew & Boras. All reports indicated early in the offseason that the Mets were anything but comfortable with Tejada as their SS opening day. They're saying they are comfortable with him so they don't appear desperate & can get Drew on their terms, not Drew's terms. I'm sorry, but Tejada is not a ML-caliber player & he isn't an option on a team that plans on contending in 2014. The Mets need 1 more bat & although Drew exactly a great hitter, he is better than what they have & could be that bat they need.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

So as of now, this looks like the starting line up.

EYjr LF

Murphy 2B

Wright 3B

Granderson RF

Young CF

Duda or Davis / Satin 1B

d'Arnaud C

Tejada SS

Not enough OBP at the top.

Not enough RBI potential in the 5,6, or 7 spots.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

I'm sure the mets would be open to upgrading at 1st if there weren't 17 1b candidates and nobody biting on Ike Davis in all of baseball, for obvious, or not so obvious reasons.

dexx
dexx

@Tarheel11 Agree on Chris Owings.  Scouts say he will have to move to 2B or 3B, & his #s are very inflated by the dessert climate in which he has played

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

I didn't know about the plantar fasciitis issue with Owings. Where did you get this info? I have read a lot about him and haven't seen anything about that. If that is true, then I'm not sure I would trade Montero for him. I know that there are questions about his defense. I know that he doesn't walk much. I also know that he is ranked 84 on the list of top 100 prospects and Montero is 98 on that list. Can you give me your source of info please? Thanks.

Skyking
Skyking

@maxster Comparing Drew to Tejada, you got your pot of gold with Drew. Will Drew make this team a contender? Hell no!!  Drew would be a nice upgrade but look what your upgrading. Paying $12M to someone who has had DL stints is not wise, not to mention his numbers could take a fall batting in citi field. If a change is needed and they want Ike out so bad, Morales would be a better and safer signing. If you have a team in place, Drew would be a nice complimentary peace but not the case and Asdrubal Cabrera in 2015 sounds much better.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Oh course he would rather stay in Boston, but they have Bogaerts pushing him out. That's why they are standing firm at 1 year. If no other team is going to offer Drew more than one year, the Mets have no reason to concede him the 3rd year. He IS injury prone. I don't have a problem with the Mets being patient. I doubt that he would pass up a 2 year offer if it is the best he can get. The only reason Peralta got 4 years from the Cardinals is that he has been very durable over his career. He averages over 150 games per year. It is a safer investment. The Cardinals aren't stupid. Drew is not a safe investment for more than 2 years. If there was another team offering a 2 year deal for Drew, then maybe Sandy would give up the 3rd year. If not, he would be bidding against himself.

dexx
dexx

@maxster Agree.  I cant say I blame him.  They did just win the World Series.  We really should give him 3 years.  I think it would have to be 2/24, so why not 3/30?

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@kenmetskni "RBI potential?"  What does that even mean?  If anything it's because the 1 and 2 hitters don't get on base to give "RBI Potential" to the rest of the team.


Beisdes, Lagares must be a regular over speedy outmaker EYJ.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@kenmetskni - you are posting a ton on here, and don't seem to know much.   Even without the plantar fasciitis issue, this guy isn't all that good.  Average at best.

Secondly below you point out how wrong you were about Duda being a 30/100 guy "for years to come" after seeing him in 2011.

You need to post a little less.  You also have EY making the lineup over Lagares, as TC's choice, but not yours.  How do you know TC's lineup?  Oye.  Every post of yours is so questionable. 

Do you just type everything that comes into your head?

Gland1
Gland1

just google chris owings planter fasciitis

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@kenmetskni  The link isn't working. It's from Sickels report back in September of this year. This is what he said


Moved up to Low-A South Bend for 2010, he was limited to 62 games by plantar fasciitis in both feet, although he played well in those 62 games, hitting .298/.323/.447. Moved up to Visalia in the High-A California League for 2011, he stayed healthy and played in 121 gmes, but with a .246/.274/.388 line. He hit 11 homers and stole 10 bases, but serious issues with plate discipline held him back. He posted a dismal 15/130 BB/K ratio in 521 at-bats.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Dexx,

The why not 3 years is because of his lack of durability.

Olerud42
Olerud42

@BringBackDaveTelghe @kenmetskni Only partially true. OBP is part of the story, but so is hitting. Getting on base is half the battle, but driving in the runs is the other half. It doesn't happen automatically.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

This is not the line up I want. It is what I think Collins would do. I WANT Lagares out there every day, although he can't lead off with his low OBP. What I mean by RBI potential is the ABILITY to drive in runs.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

You don't need to read my posts if you don't like them. I'm not going to post less because you say so. Do you have control issues that you can't express to people's faces in your real life? I have been posting here for years and have many friends on Mets Blog. I have many great conversations and respectful debates, with many Mets fans. You are welcome to be one of them. If you can't be respectful then it is your loss. I'm not always right and, unlike many others, don't pretend to be. At least I admit when I am wrong.

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni Im not sure its a lack of durability as much as it was just a major injury at home plate.  He broke his leg & ankle sliding into home.  Cost him 2nd half of 2011 & 1st half of 2012 because of the surgeries.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Again, an average is not dependent on the number of opportunities. It is a percentage of hits within how ever many opportunities a player has. I'm not sure why we are still having this debate.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

No. I don't like Ike. If I had to choose between the two, I would choose Duda. Ultimately, I think Flores might be the best option, but he needs reps at 1B in the minors.

Gland1
Gland1

@dexx @kenmetskni right.  How do you calculate an average if you are not GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY?

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni I do understand it.  You are making one argument for your case, and the exact opposite argument for Duda.  You must have a man crush on Ikey boy.

dexx
dexx

@Olerud42@BringBackDaveTelghe@kenmetskni Actually, you can have an RBI without ever swinging the bat.  Bases loaded walk or HBP.  Also you can have plenty of RBIs without ever getting a hit.  Sac Fly, Sac Bunt, grounder w/ runner on 3B.  That's why RISP is widely considered at dying stat for front offices to evaluate players with.  It varies widely for almost every player from season to season.

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni Correct, but a teammate has to give you the opportunity

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Come on Gland. You are too smart for that. An average calculates how often a batter gets a hit when GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. If he gets up 3 times with RISP and gets 1 hit, his average with RISP is 333. If he gets up 99 times and gets 33 hits his average is also 333. The numerical average is a percentage, or success rate. It is independent of how many, or few, opportunities the batter gets.

Gland1
Gland1

Avg w/RISP is obviously dependent on teammates being in scoring position. Otherwise there is no average to calculate if there is nobody in scoring position.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Please proofread this statement dexx.

"Avg w/RISP is dependent on teammates being in scoring position". NO IT ISN'T. an average tells how often a hitter is SUCCESSFUL when given the opportunity. An average is a mathematical calculation of how often a player gets a hit out of all his hitting opportunities. The only difference between an average with or without runs on base is that it is harder to hit with runners on base. Pitchers work harder to get hitters out when they are in danger of giving up runs. I don't know Duda's average with RISP, but it has to be awful. At least for last year. In 2012, his RBI numbers were Bette than last season, but still not good for a "power hitter".

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Where did you get his HRs with runners on stat? I'm pretty sure he had 13 solo shots last year. Regardless, his 30 something RBI total is just flat out pathetic. What's your last name Dexx? Are you Dexter Duda? His brother or cousin? Seriously, he didn't just hit behind Davis. He hit behind Wright and Byrd (for a lot of games). He had his chances to drive in runs. He failed! I have nothing against the guy personally, he just isn't a good ML ball player. Sorry, he just isn't.

dexx
dexx

@Olerud42 @BringBackDaveTelghe @kenmetskni There is only one way to get an RBI with no one on base.  Duda had 11 solo shots last season & 4 multi run HRs or 30%, which is about league average.  He had a guy batting .150 w/ .200 OBP in front of him.  You think if Choo was in front of him instead of Ike, he would more RBIs?  Come on.  Avg w/RISP is dependant on teammates being in scoring position.  Its the name of the stat.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Most ML pitchers get tougher to hit with runners on. That's why they are in the majors. Your comment should have posted to dexx. dexx is the one who doesn't seem to understand this.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

You are leaving out his RBIs from last season. I'm guessing that was on purpose, because they were horrible. Driving in runs is his main purpose. Also, he played a lot of RF in 2011, when he had that great 2nd half. So I don't believe that his struggles on offense are related to his playing the OF.

dexx
dexx

@Tarheel11@kenmetskni I agree, but that's our organizational philosophy.  That's what they are being taught.  Front office hates Murphy

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni 2012 w/ RISP  Lucas Duda  .273  Avg.  .398 OBP  .453  Slg%   .851  OPS.   Stop looking at everything is such a small sample.  Hey I went to a game one time and Wright was 0-4.  He sucks.

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni What position was Duda playing in 2011?  1B?  What a coincedence.  He also had a .765 OPS last season.  .350 OBP .415  SLG%  & .370 OBP  .465  Slg% vs RHP.  Thats good.  You cannot deny that.  Im sorry u dont like him.  He had one down season in 2012 coming off wrist surgery and being made to make a fool of himself in the OF.  Having Duda at 1B improves 2 positions for us.  1B & LF.  Dont let your emotions decide how good or bad a player is.  His numbers were good last season.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Agreed. There is value in working counts and taking walks. However, guys like Duda are supposed to drive in runs. It's not as if he is ever going to hit at the top of the order. He needs to be more aggressive at the plate, especially with runners on.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@kenmetskni Duda is painful to watch hit. Can't stand watching him taking a first pitch fastball right down the plate for a strike. I get the whole getting deep counts and all that but why put yourself in a hole and take the best pitch you're going to see in the entire at bat. Odds are you then end up swinging at a curve ball behind in the count. Working deep counts should be recognizing a ball and not swinging at balls, not taking grooved fastballs. Never understood that concept! Be aggressive and go up looking to do damage

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Duda had ONE strong HALF season. The 2nd half of 2011. After 2011, I was very excited about Duda. I was posting on this blog that Duda would be a 30/100 guy for years to come. For the past two years he has done next to NOTHING. I like his swing, but he doesn't seem to have an aggressive enough mindset. He takes WAY too many pitches in the hitting zone, especially with runners on base. Byrd and Buck hit a lot of HRs because they attacked the pitches that Duda looked at. Oh and by the way, sometimes they hit those HRs with guys on base. What did Duda do? He hit 14 HRs I think. 13 of them were solo shots. Duda also had Wright hitting in front of him, who is always on base. You can make excuses for him, but I'm way past that point.

You haven't addressed my point about Murphy's RBIs last year. Do you admit that hitting with RISP is also important in terms of RBIs? If not, then your mind is closed and there is no point in having this debate.

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni Yeah, and besides 2013, Duda has crushed the ball with RISP.  He had Strike Davis hitting in front of him and John Buck & Maron Byrd behind him.  They didnt give Duda anything to hit.  Thats why Buck & Byrd hit so many HRs.  Pitchers had to pitch to those two after pitching around Duda

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Only partly, not solely. It also has to do with a players ability to hit with RISP. Murphy had around 80 RBIs from the #2 spot last year. That was despite the very low OBP of the 8, 9, and 1 hitters in front of him. He achieved it by hitting with RISP. Guys like Duda, on the other hand, can get on base and hit HRs, but rarely comes through with RISP.

dexx
dexx

@kenmetskni The ability to drive in runs lies solely on the people in front of you getting on base and scoring when you get a hit.