Stephen Drew

Dec. 9: Latest Stephen Drew rumors

The Mets are among teams that have expressed interest in free agent SS Stephen Drew, although only the Red Sox have reportedly made him an offer so far this winter…



2:28 pm: The Red Sox feel they have a good chance to retain Drew, as his market isn’t very big right now (Cafardo).

Michael Baron, Contributor

Assuming this is true, I wonder how much the qualifying offer is playing a role in Drew’s market. Something similar took place with Michael Bourn last winter, and it ultimately limited his suitors. Like Bourn, Drew is a difficult case with respects to draft compensation – it seems many teams are questioning Drew’s value against retaining the pick…

9:40 am: The Red Sox intend to wait out Drew’s market this winter (Britton).


Nov. 10: The Mets expected to meet with Scott Boras to discuss Drew during the GM Meetings in early November (Lennon).

Nov. 10: The Red Sox aren’t likely to offer Drew more than a two-year contract (Cafardo).

Oct. 28: Drew could end up signing a three-year contract worth around $12 million per year (Sherman).

42 comments
denelor
denelor

I prefer the Mets find a good SS option via trade.  If that's not possible I give Tejada another shot over Drew unless Drew is coming at 2 years and <$10M/year.  Tejada's 2012 is better than Drew's career average and it's better than Drew's 2013.  Tejada may stink in 2014 or he may revert to 2012 form.  If he does stink, look to upgrade at SS again next year.  


Signing Drew now is classic "we must fix every hole with the best thing available, even if that best thing available stinks".  It's an overpay for an aging mediocre player.  


TLDR:  Trade for someone at SS.  If not, go with Tejada over Drew because of upside/value potential of Tejada. 

mrnegative
mrnegative

Drew doesn't have much of a market but Boras will wait it out to the bitter end. Acquiring a SS will be difficult via trade. The cards tried and saw how high the asking prices were, which is why they signed Peralta. The cards have the chips to trade for whoever they want, the mets do not. So I don't see a trade developing. I'd really try to get Drew and that would be another hole filled. 3 years for about 12-13 million annually would get it done imo. He's put up consistent numbers throughout his career and is a plus defender.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

That guy's stats are awful for $12M. I'd rather bring back a guy getting paid that much in a trade. There has to be better guys out there for that price.

Mont5
Mont5

I believe the Mets SS will come from a trade.

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

Drew would be a real upgrade over Tejada. I'd still like to explore other ss options besides Drew.

The Feels
The Feels

Drew's stats are really ho hum... He's basically the Chris Young of shortstop, but only we get to pay him much more and for a lot longer? Ummm. 

tacknaf
tacknaf

site completely sucks now. only reason to ever come here was the conversations you would get into with other commenters. now that is gone. this is a horrible commenting system.

Eli Battistoni
Eli Battistoni

The Drew's = Baseball's version of the Ford Pinto.  Looks good with the name, but always broken down on the side of the road. 

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

The Red Sox seem to be willing to wait, meaning that his demands are still pretty high right now. I think we can afford to wait, also.

denelor
denelor

Am I the only one who has no problem with this team NOT going after Drew?  His contract is going to be hugely more than he is worth if any of the estimates are to be believed. 

Brad Houser
Brad Houser

really want to see the Mets get in on Drew. Deal Murphy/Davis, make room for Drew's salary.

Mont5
Mont5

Don't see Drew coming here. What I do see is a trade with the A's for Jed Lowrie

Eli Battistoni
Eli Battistoni

@Andrew Herbst That's not saying much, but I 100% agree.  I would rather give Tejada who is 24 one more year.  If not, then let's look to make changes.

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

SS numbers are down....no more juice. I think Heyman said yesterday he was top 5 ops last year

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

@Agee's Catch The reason that we can't afford to wait is look at the production that we have gotten from SS. Its one of the lowest in baseball and our worst spot over the past year or so. We have been around the 70 win mark the past couple of years and the best way to improve on that is attack where we suck the most. The OF was a huge problem and they put some new guys out there with Young and Granderson. The other glaring problem in this lineup is SS and Drew fixes that. Murphy does fine at 2nd. They aren't looking at a catcher right now. Wright isn't moving from 3rd and they at the very least have good upside at 1st base. That brings us back to SS and you don't wait on the market to fix the one place you really need to fix when there aren't any other options out there worth signing if the miss out on Drew

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

IF you can keep him on the field he's worth it. It's either going to be a very good signing or a waste of money. I think they need him unless like you said the other day they could trade for Castro. He's a good player though and now without steroids SS aren't putting up monster numbers anymore.

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

@denelor I have a major problem with the Mets not going after him for a few major reasons. For one he is by far better than any SS option that we have. He brings good defense with a very legit bat that for a SS has power. He may not be Tulo but he is a very good SS.

My biggest issue with the Mets not going after Drew was after failing pay Peralta who was said to be their #1 target this off season, not going hard after Drew would just show us yet again that the Mets aren't willing and won't spend money to make us better. 

They can't give us the we really like Tejada speech and that they feel he can still be the future cause all that Sandy has done is tear him apart and saying the need to replace him

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

@denelor I've been against signing Drew all along. However, looking at what guys are getting on the market, I'm starting to lean towards just signing him and moving on to make a trade for a 1B. He fills a hole at SS and can bat leadoff, so I guess he'll do. 


If Sandy can get more creative though, I'd be happier. Not really sold on Drew, just not convinced we can acquire a decent SS via trade.

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

I'm fine with it.  I'd prefer we go after Arruebarruena or Aledmis Diaz.  I'm wondering if anyone knows which is the better option.  I think Arruebarruena is the better fielder, Diaz the better stick. 

tacknaf
tacknaf

@Christian See Matt? I can't even downvote ugly morons like Christian here.

xavier22
xavier22

@Michael Hennessy @Agee's Catch The Mets are going into the Winter Meetings in a pretty good position.  They've upgraded their OF positions, both offensively and defensively, and can now be more creative in how they approach SS and 1B (if necessary).  They can upgrade at SS with a trade, or they can go after Drew if the price is right.  But they key is they can afford to wait him out as they have more flexibility now.


This is not to say that they are done with upgrades, and there's been no indication from Sandy that he considers them done (in fact just the opposite).  All I'm saying is that they have more strategic flexibility now than they did a week ago.

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

Yeah that's what bothers me..they said SS was their biggest priority. They said not us. Now all of a sudden it's like .....you can't fill very hole.. Enough already, just go build a team and shut up about payroll

denelor
denelor

@Michael Hennessy @denelor You realize that Drew is a career .264 hitter with a below average OPS+ and an average WAR of less than 2 over the last 3 years?  For reference a WAR of 2 is "major league starter".  And you want to give this guy 3 to 5 years, 12 to 15M/year?  Seriously?  


His average DRS over his career is just barely above zero, which means he's an average fielder.  And that number is propped up by his best DRS season which ended 4 years ago (2009).  His UZR was positive last year, but negative the year before. 


Drew would be fine on a short deal, but at what he's looking to get you're nuts if you want him. 


Oh, and he's entering his age 31 season so it's not like you can expect his numbers to improve.  Hold the line, at best, and likely the regression will start soon.  



denelor
denelor

@Andrew Wharton @denelor Drew at lead off at the cost of $12M/year or more scares the crap out of me.  No stolen bases, low OBP, low average.  I'd rather then use the money on a salary dump contract (like Kemp, though not necessarily him) and just stick with Tejada.  


Tejada's 2012 is better than Drew's career average or his 2013 campaign at 1/15 the cost.  Sure, Tejada may suck in 2014.  But he may revert to 2012 form too.  With Drew you know what you're getting.  Barely MLB starter level bat with average defense for $12M+/year.  That money could be better spent elsewhere. 

The Feels
The Feels

@tacknaf @Christian Sir, mock my team. Mock my fabulous lifestyle, but never, and I mean never mock my handsomeness 


Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

And in five minutes you'll spend an hour searching to see if he returned the snide comment.

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

Considering the Mets will more than likely spend 10-12M on a pitcher than on a SS, I can't see them signing Drew.  They'll go cheap and call it a day.  Diaz, Arruebarruena via free agency. I see the Rays as a trading partner.  They have Escobar at SS with Beckham and Hak-ju Lee in AAA.  And they want a first baseman. We have a decent match.  

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

@xavier22 @Michael Hennessy @Agee's Catch I couldn't disagree with you more. That's the problem is they can't afford to wait. Drew is the only SS left worth signing. Everyone else is a sideways move from Tejada who is at best a AA short stop. So than you say we can go to the trade market. Well that leaves us with two options. Option one is get someone that is barley an upgrade over Tejada so we don't have to give up a lot to get one. The other option is give up a lot and whats the point in that when we could have signed one if the Coupons would just spend a little money. 

There have been rumors of a JJ Hardy trade. That means giving up good prospects or Murphy or both. I can live with trading Murphy but he won't get Hardy by himself and I doubt that Murph and a no name prospect will get it done. And Hardy is almost the same player as Drew. Both play a decent SS, both have good bats with some power and both have been hurt a few times. The difference is they both cost money and one of them you didn't have to give up prospects to get. 

So basically Drew cost a little money and this is NY so the Wilpons need to understand that and start spending something. Anyone else that's worth getting will costs players/prospects and than we still have to pay who we trade for. The math is simple. We dropped the ball on Peralta so they should be going hard at Drew and fix the weakest spot on this team

denelor
denelor

@Michael Hennessy @denelor A Drew stinks by all 15 answers.  If Drew gets 4 years at 12M/year that's the worst contract given out this winter.  He's not worth it.  


If pop means he'll probably break 10 home runs while striking out 120+ times, sure the guy has some pop.  


I'd rather they spent the money elsewhere and went with Tejada.  Tejada's 2012 is better than Drew's career line or better than his 2013.  At least with Tejada you may get the 2012 version.  With Drew, you know what you're getting and it's not very good. 


Of course I'd rather Sandy got creative and went another route all together.  But if the choice is Drew or in house, just stay in house and make the team better elsewhere. 

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

@denelor @Michael Hennessy I never said I would give this guy a 5 year deal. I want to give this guy a 3 year deal with a 4th year option(if needed to close the deal). The option based on games played. He has suffered a few big injuries the past couple of years and if healthy the guy can hit. And and .264 avg with some pop is a major upgrade over what we have. As far as WAR goes myself and most people in baseball hate that stat and don't pay attention to it. You can argue that but if you went to 20 different sites on how they measure WAR you will get at least 15 different answers.

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

@Michael HennessyThree years - no option.  Frankly, i don't see him getting a better deal anywhere. 


It's unfair to call Tejada a AA shortstop.  He's at least AAA!

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

@Agee's Catch @Andrew Wharton You are both right and that Drew will want more than what Peralta got and that Peralta has been more durable. But the fact is our SS is not good enough to play in AA and he's stating in NY. If Boston is the only one in on him right now offering 1 or 2 years than we should come in an offer a 3 year deal with a 4th year option based on games played and we can lock it up

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

Peralta has proven to be far more durable. Is the PEDs? We'll find out soon enough

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

@Michael Hennessy @petehasglu @denelor The problem is he isn't getting Peralta money.

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

@petehasglu @Michael Hennessy @denelor I think he wants more than 3 years and 36mill. If all he wants is the 3 for 36 than the Mets need to make that happen yesterday and stop waiting for someone else to move in and take it from them