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Ike Davis rumors: Mets talking with three teams, trying to get pitching prospect

The Mets are still looking to trade 1B Ike Davis, and are continuing discussions with the Orioles, Brewers and Pirates (Puma, Dec. 27).

The Mets were unsuccessful in their attempt to acquire 20-year-old minor league pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez from the Orioles in exchange for Davis (Puma, Dec. 27).

The Pirates remain in play for Davis, and the Mets recently asked them for pitching prospect Nick Kingham (Perrotto, Dec. 17).

Michael Baron, Contributor

I don’t expect the Mets will get more than a mid-level pitching prospect for Davis right now – and even that may proving to be difficult. Perhaps that can change as camp gets closer and these teams struggle to fulfill their needs. However, if the return ends up being less than they wanted, the Mets might be better off bringing Davis to camp, showcasing him with Lucas Duda, and letting them compete for a job.


In talks with Milwaukee, Sandy Alderson asked for RHP Tyler Thornburg during the Winter Meetings (McCalvy, Dec. 11Duquette, Dec. 10), but Thornburg is set to be Milwaukee’s fifth starter (Haudricourt, Dec. 12). As an alternative to Davis, the Brewers have shown interest in signing free agent Michael Young to be their first baseman (Rosenthal, Dec. 18).




242 comments
TRex
TRex

Look, if Ike's trade value is so low that we can't even get a prospect for him, I think the Mets should hang on to him and see if he recovers his trade value.  It won't be any less during the season -- or after next season -- than it is now, so they shouldn't just dump him.  I personally don't think he is going to recover his stroke, but what do they have to lose?  Rather than give him away, they should hang on to him and, if he has a good first half, or a good season, then trade him.  He isn't the long-term answer anyway.  He's not a bad guy, but something isn't quite right there.  Maybe New York isn't for him.  I don't know what it is and I don't speculate that there is anything wrong with him or that he isn't living the right lifestyle or anything.  I just think that he isn't progressing here.  He's regressing.  He needs to move on, but let's see if we can get some value for him.

joeyblueye
joeyblueye

WHOSE ON 1ST?? RE SIGN JIM HICKMAN 

howard_stn
howard_stn

Moving Ike is a salary dump- plain & simple.  The question is why they want a pitching prospect when that in the one area of depth within the organization?

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

As annoying and frustrating as it is to have these Ike updates, it still wouldn't make sense to just cut the guy lose before the deadline to pay him more comes around.  I don't know the exact date or dollar figures, but it's been reported previously here.

Maybe nothing ever comes to fruition in the Davis trade market, but we won't know that until teams have their rosters finalized in the spring.  Obviously Sandy is going to shoot for the stars right now - that's his job.

We've seen the guy pull in pretty solid returns for Beltran, RA, and especially Byrd/Buck.  I'll knock him for certain things like everyone else, but I can't criticize how he's worked the trade market in the past.

flushed
flushed

Connor Jackson; In about two or three lousy years, Ike won't even be playing in the major leagues anymore.  I'm not sure why the whole valley fever thing doesn't get brought up anymore except that people refuse to put those 32 home runs in 2012 in context, which is to say Ike has never really performed well in a meaningful way since he was diagnosed with the affliction regardless of the that one stat that people beat to death. People opine that the problem is that Davis has an attitude, or they blame Hudgens, or his stance, or anything but the giant elephant in the room; which is that there was another guy who's situation mirrors Ike Davis's almost entirely.  It's really messed up, but I think his career has been ruined by some obscure desert disease most of us never even heard of before, but it really is the most logical explanation. 

maxster
maxster

Just waive Ike, he's mentally fragile and we are not get anything for him.  Then sign Drew before he's gone.

sell
sell

Ike is a better asset to hold on to than get a mid level prospect. We know his potential and I'd be willing to give him one more shot, unless someone offers us a solid return.

drmetfan
drmetfan

Ike is not getting traded with Alderson asking for the moon in return.

It seems they really don't want to get rid of him otherwise he would have been traded already.

billa
billa

How about making a play for Nelson Cruz?

(low OBP, low AVE but high SLG, high HR)

hankypanky
hankypanky

Davis obviously doesn't have a market. What's wrong with a Flores-Davis platoon until Flores proves he can do the job full-time? Davis can always be unloaded for a ptbnl.

dexx
dexx

So Milwaukee said no to Aoki, and no go on Thornburg


Pittsburgh said no thanks on Kingham


Baltimore said no on some prospect Ive never heard of.  Something tells me that the Rays never offered Matt Joyce.  If they did, Sandy is really not as smart as he thinks he is.   Pretty sure the Rays were never interested

slainte2
slainte2

Yes!! Both Davis and duda can contribute ... But both are platoon players, period! Stop trying to force square peg into round hole!

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Does anyone think Davis or Duda can do anything in Spring Training that will increase their value?

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

I've wondered the same.  Maybe wishful thinking, but I'd like to think Sandy wants more young pitching in order to offer up a hefty package for a difference-making bat or two in the near future - maybe next offseason.

To me, best-case scenario would keeping Wheeler and Syndergaard while moving other prospects to acquire the bat(s).  A rotation of Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Syndergaard, and whoever is pretty formidable if you factor in an all-star caliber hitter to boot.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@flushed It's hard to disagree with the medical side of this, but I'm still not going to ignore how the mental side plays into this whole debacle either.

NY is probably the toughest place for any struggling athlete to perform or dig himself out of a slump.  Does that mean the guy is weak-minded or soft?  Sure, I won't argue that.  Some guys just aren't built to handle the pressure.

But to me, it was obvious the past few seasons that Ike was feeding off the negative emotions every home at-bat.  Watching him change his stance, move his hands, swing early, swing later, or take until a strike are things he did regularly from AB to AB.  No hitter can have success doing that.

When it's all said and done will we point to the medical side?  Your guess is as a good as mine.  But based on what I've actually witnessed, being boo'd nearly every AB (deservedly so)  is the biggest factor to me.


dexx
dexx

@flushed Causes chronic fatigue that can last the entirety of one's life

dolemite
dolemite

@sellI would rather hold than deal for a mid level prospect too - but this kid from the orioles is actually a really good prospect, as is thornberg for milwaukee actually.  They aren`t walkers or syndergaards but they are at least as valuable as monteros to most teams.

Riccardi today said that teams are over valuing their youth, and that proven major league talent is way more valuable....obviously the Mets don`t feel this way else they wouldn`t be shopping ike/duda/murph.  pretty transparent JP....

dexx
dexx

@sell He has had one season of 2.0 WAR which is barely starting material, a 1.1 WAR in 2012, which is awful for someone that played a full season, and then he had a negative WAR in 2013.  So his potential is a platoon LH bat off the bench, that cant hit in his home stadium.  A platoon road player?

dexx
dexx

@drmetfan Didnt think that one all the way through, huh?  Is it possible no one is offering anything?

sell
sell

Chris young is our Nelson Cruz.

dexx
dexx

@hankypanky Why doesnt he have a market?  Answer that correctly, and you have the answer to your question as wrll.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@dexx Haha so if you've never heard of the prospect then they obviously aren't any good.  Got it.

Gland1
Gland1

@slainte2 Why do you need both of them if they are both platoon players?

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@Kevin VanTassell if either one of them starts hitting those non breaking pitches that spring training pitchers mostly throw, then of course their value increases. at any given point, winter, spring-training, summer, fall. 

flushed
flushed

@Robby Johnson@flushed Look at Jackson's career...it is uncanny how similar it played out; position, age, status, number of years, drop in stats, it all follows a remarkably similar trajectory. All the "mental" stuff is spit balling we do when we have nothing else to go on. I think this armchair theory supersedes all other armchair theories.

flushed
flushed

@dexx@flushed I don't take any glee in pointing this out, even though I feel exasperated with those who keep talking about Ike's potential, I think the writing is on the wall.  It's not a cab accident or anything dramatic, just a seemingly benign cold-like illness and yet a young man with immense talent is facing a real dilemma of his career being over.


sell
sell

All good points, but the alternatives are Lucas Duda and josh satin.

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

Is it possible he has more value to us then he does to other teams? We know what hes capable of and so do other teams. They see it as a buy low option though. I know youre in love with Duda though and hes the much better player right. Teams wouldn't give us the garbage theyre throwing away for Duda.

billa
billa

Young doesn't hit home runs!!

slainte2
slainte2

We don't ... Interchangeable, but they each can contribute in right role.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

At 27-28 years old neither of them is going to greatly change anyone's opinion of them by hitting against minor leaguers and major leaguers working on their 3rd -4th best pitches in games that don't count.

dave27a
dave27a

@Erwin Scott Ruerup @Kevin VanTassell Playing to his strenght....LOL.  Playing the position he likes better (but also has done nothing to earn) will transform him from a garbage hitter who can't drive in runs to save his life?  I wouldn't bank on it.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

That's fine - like I said, I don't disagree.  Jackson's career is an unfortunate example, but it should be pointed out that it's somewhat rare for a person of his age and overall physical health to suffer longterm effects.  Again, not disagreeing with you, just throwing my 2 cents after looking into some Valley Fever stats.


And please don't discard the mental aspect like it doesn't matter.  Any ballplayer who's played at the college or pro level will tell you how crucial having confidence or being comfortable at the plate is.  Some guys can shrug it off, but, as a NY fan, I know you've seen plenty of guys for both the Mets and the Yanks blow it.


It's pure speculation on both of our parts, but I think the solution to all of this is finding a way to move him in the end.  If there isn't a market for him or Sandy doesn't want to accept a mid-level prospect for him, so be it.  He needs to be someone else's enigma.  I hope he succeeds and overcomes any health ailments he potential still has if that's the case.

Olerud42
Olerud42

@dexx @sell  "Which together at 1B, instead of an absurd OF experiment, will provide 3.0-4.0 WAR, as opposed to Ike's negative value. "


Doubt it. 

dexx
dexx

@sell Which together at 1B, instead of an absurd OF experiment, will provide 3.0-4.0 WAR, as opposed to Ike's negative value.  We are instantly a better team without him.  He's getting worse.  Hes declined each year.

dexx
dexx

@Nick Squatrito No.  He produced a -0.1 WAR last season.  He literally makes us worse just being on the team

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

Since 2007 he's hit 142 home runs in 3885 ABs.


Kemp - 150 in 3731 ABs

McCann - 147 in 3658 ABs

JJ Hardy - 144 in 4031 ABs

Justin Morneau - 142 in 3811 ABs

Andre Ethier - 130 in 4100 ABs

BJ Upton - 122 in 4100 ABs


…the guy can hit home runs.  He hit 12 and 14 the past 2 seasons, but he only had 325 & 335 ABs.  Stretch those out over 600 and the guy has averaged 23-25 bombs a year.


I'm not saying he's a great hitter or the answer, but get your facts straight.

Gland1
Gland1

@ton again I disagree.  We've seen enough of them to be holding competitions during the season.  I guess you're just trying to be funny with that Survivor thing.

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@Gland1 @ton i say now listen up davis and duda i'm alternating you guys in the opening months versus righties. it's a 2 month competition. the loser is done in flushing. the winner is safe as the starter for the final 2/3 of the season. there is a chance one grabs it fighting for his career. televise it on SNY like a sort of Survivor. 

Gland1
Gland1

@ton I don't see it happening that way at all.  I don't see how they can both be on the same roster.  There's no way either of them would succeed if they are both splitting time like that. If Ike isn't traded I'd imagine he'd be the starter, Duda would be in AAA and if Davis starts slow then they would start working in a platoon with him and Satin.  

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@Gland1 @ton no i mean by june. imagine the two getting their chances in the opening months and it being up for grabs and the hope that one steps up and takes it. collins needs to sell it to them that way.

Gland1
Gland1

@ton You said taking the job and running with it.  Did you mean during spring training?

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@Gland1 @ton not speaking of winning as a team in spring training. rather a player's value at any given point in the season - in this case ike davis or lucas duda. if ike starts hitting bombs, hypothetically, in spring training i would think teams on the fringe of interest and those in trade talks will take notice, despite the frivolous notion of spring training. not saying anything gets done then just answering the question below in the completely wrong spot.

Gland1
Gland1

@ton you mean winning it in spring training?  That won't tell us anything.  They aren't going to share the position or something, so one of them is going to be the starter. 

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@Gland1 @slainte2 but one could argue that by keeping both, the mets improve their odds of having one that takes the job and runs with it. unlikely, true, but better odds than gambling on just one. its a hedging of bets.

dexx
dexx

@Nick Squatrito A little bit of power in the minors?  His numbers were way better than Ike's in the minors, just like last season in the majors.  

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

Ike was a top prospect that was drafted in the 1st round that was groomed to take over the position. Duda was a 12th round dud that happened to find a little bit of power in the minors. Try again pal. Everyone of your arguments has no ground.