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Ike Davis rumors: Brewers have options, Pirates still interested

The Pirates are just as much in play for Ike Davis as the Brewers and the Mets are willing to wait out the situation (Puma, Dec. 19).

However, the Brewers are now showing interest in signing free agent Michael Young to play first base (Rosenthal, Dec. 18). Brewers GM Doug Melvin acknowledged having interest in Davis, but has said things with the Mets – and the trade market in general – are quiet right now (Haurdicourt, Dec. 17).

In talks for Davis, Sandy Alderson asked the Brewers for RHP Tyler Thornburg (McCalvy, Dec. 11Duquette, Dec. 10), but Thornburg is set to be Milwaukee’s fifth starter (Haudricourt, Dec. 12).

The Pirates talked to the Mets about Davis earlier this week (Sawchik, Dec. 17), at which point the Mets asked for pitching prospect Nick Kingham (Perrotto, Dec. 17), who was Pittsburgh’s third-best pitching prospect according to Baseball America.

149 comments
amazins
amazins

Just KEEP Ike. Enough of this BS.

hankincolo
hankincolo

Everybody wants young pitching, especially power arms, if the Mets keep insisting on young pitchers then don't be surprised if Ike is with this team in April, I would not be unhappy with that. I still think he'll hit for power.  Reading this board, I know I am not alone.

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

If the Mets are smart, they will give Ike Davis another chance at first base. What are the chances that Davis will hit 30 HRs for the Mets in 2014? It isn't 100% and it isn't 0%. He just hit 32 HRs one season ago and is still a fairly young player. If Ike has a 50% chance of hitting 30 HRs again, then that is better then anything else we have right now to put at first base. I would platoon him with Satin and bat him 6th. If the Mets signed Mark Reynolds for one year and platooned the two of them at first, it would be a lot of strikeouts but a lot of HRs also. Reynolds loves hitting at Citifield. Duda is terrible and Flores did put up okay numbers in the minors but that was in high altitude cities. I don't look at Flores and think that he will be a solid major league hitter and he definitely doesn't have the hands and range to play anywhere else regularly in the NL. Right now, our best bet is to give Ike one more chance.

hwabouthat
hwabouthat

I want Reyes back! As a part of Mets nation, I know im not alone in my sentiments as I feel as if OUR real SS is "stuck" up north in Toronto.

Amazin' Raisin'
Amazin' Raisin'

Again with the Ike Davis "rumors". Reading this site's giddy pronouncements on Davis' trade value is like watching Jim Cramer pummel the "Bull" button on "Mad Money" circa 2006. Can we please review the facts at hand? Please? 

1. Davis hit .205/.326/.334 last season. When Terry dared put him in the lineup against a LHP, he clubbed an awe-inspiring .145/.203/.203.

2. Davis' defense has regressed each season since 2011. He made nine errors in just 87 starts at 1B last season, and frankly looked like he had consumed some sort of intoxicant at times. 

3. Davis is not getting any younger or any more controllable. He is arbitration-eligible every year until 2017, I believe. 

4. He dips like a madman, which is going to eventually put a strain on your team's health insurance premiums.

5. He contracted Scarlet Fever, Valley Fever, or some kind of other desert fungus cactus disease that apparently never goes away.

This is the man the contending Pirates are going to start at first base? This is the guy you're going to impose upon the rebuilding Brewers? And the guy you're going to get anything more than a bag of dryer lint and a fruit basket for? I think not, dear friends.

hwabouthat
hwabouthat

I'd go to war with this...

Drew

Murphy

Wright

Granderson

Young

Flores

d'Arnaud

Lagares

Wheels, Gee, Colon, Niese, Mejia, Thor, Montero, Harvey, Hefner, deGrom

Drew on a 3 year deal is not bad at all. You get the ending of the middle part of his prime years. Strike outs need to come down but he does hit doubles and he swings the bat. Him and Murphy at the top would be a nice combo.


Maybe Aldersons plan is to let these guys pitch. See what he has in Thor and Montero, give Niese a year to put it together and trade 2 of those pitchers for a Stanton type of player.

hwabouthat
hwabouthat

Mets need a solid hitting SS but I am unwilling to give Montero up for it. I'd say keep Ike Davis, trade Duda for any solid arm that had a down year. And sign Drew to a 3 year deal. Keep the pitching.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

The Pirates are just as much in play for Ike Davis as the Brewers and the Mets are willing to wait out the situation- is this a real sentence? who wrote this post Tim McCarver?

hwabouthat
hwabouthat

Why isn't Ike playing winter ball?

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

Only if we get our price if not i have no problem with Ike staying. If Ike goes i hope Murphy moves to first vs Duda . 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

When you say the "Pirates are just as much in play for Ike Davis as the Brewers" is that sort of like when you said they had a better shot of trading for Braun than Aoki? Aka neither is gonna happen.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

No team is giving a known good ML reliever for Davis. I think a young power arm top 10 prospect would be a good trade. Trade for a good young arm for Davis and use the money saved to sign

a veteran RP with some closing experience.

Add another good young arm to the ones the Mets have now, and use some of them to trade for a SS.

jdawggg
jdawggg

Don't think we should trade Ike, at least not yet, as he's probably the best option at 1B, and we aren't going to get anything much anyway at this point.  Keep both Ike and Duda for now, let them compete in spring training, and consider dealing one then.  Especially if some team's 1B gets hurt, maybe we find someone desperate and willing to give up a bit more than they are now.  Worst comes to worse, keep both, one will be a good bat off the bench and DH in AL parks.  

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

Another view i heard on Casey Stearn idea of keeping Ike in Triple A to start the season let him work on his issues then call him up to play and hopefully build up his value somewhat. but Let Murphy start at first to start then let him back in the mix at second base with Young. but let Ike start and maybe even Duda in the minors. 

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Ike will be dumped for nothing more than a mere relief pitching prospect..

Let's not forget what Sandy said just a few weeks ago, it was something along the lines of :"We are not in the business of just giving people away..."

yeah right, ok Sandy...

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

Let the Brewers go another way i do not want him on that club anyway. I rather see Ike here or in a place that has a better chance of winning.  I know we are not ready to win yet but going in a better direction. Just don't leave us with Lucas that is all i am saying it does not have to be Ike. But Duda is one step below.

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

If trading Ike means we free money to sign drew I'm all for it but if we are not going to improve SS by clearing Ike's salary I say keep him and give him one more shot or platoon him with satin. If he stinks again then let duda take over the lefty platoon.

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

Trade Ike for a bullpen arm.

Clear money to sign drew.

Let duda and Flores battle it out for 1B.

Drew SS

Flores 1B

Dan murphy 2B

David wright 3B

Curtis granderson LF

Chris Young RF

Lagares CF

TDA C

With solid starting pitching and a decent bullpen arm in return for Ike, and step up year for our young guns (TDA, Lagares, Flores) we are competing for a wildcard spot!

dexx
dexx

The reason we need to get rid of Ike now, is so we can spend the $4mil that Ike is due + the rest of our offseason budget and sign Stephen Drew.  Who would you rather have Duda & Drew or Ike & Tejada? 


If you can really say to yourself that you would rather have Ike & Tejada then you need to find another sport to follow. 

mojorisin
mojorisin

we're looking to trade Ike ? This came out of nowhere ... why hasn't this been reported before ?

sayhey24
sayhey24

I am afraid you are correct. But not happy you are correct. I think the odds are very low that Ike hits 30 again for the simple fact that pitchers are now fully aware of his weaknesses and he can only hit home runs when a mistake is made. Even when he hit 32 it was largely because the pitchers were sloppy, not so much because he was good.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@hwabouthat Reyes's current salary is outlandish by Yankee standards.  These tightwads wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.  

sayhey24
sayhey24

We would win some battles, but not the war. Washington and Atlanta would still beat us man to man in most positions, including shortstop even if we get Drew.

sayhey24
sayhey24

Problem is that Duda has done nothing to prove that he is worth a solid arm. The value of both Duda and Davis are very limited because their flaws are too great and their potential is waning.

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

@hwabouthat Why isn't Duda? Or Tejada.  Is Ike's oblique fully healed? Would you want to risk it in the winter leagues?

Gland1
Gland1

What is wrong with you? While you may be good at using bold and italics you certainly seem clueless about everything else. First of all he wasn't traded for nothing yet, so you can step off the ledge. Second, if course Sandy would say that! What do you expect him to say? And third, he can say whatever he wants, but if no team is interested he cant force anything!

So now can you stop saying it? Because each time you repeat that nonesense is a little more embarrassing.

jaydhn
jaydhn

@Sentimental Steve If that was true, the deal would be done by now.


But honestly, I would be happy with a pitcher similar to Vic Black.

Ferdous Safari
Ferdous Safari

Yes, because MLB teams are just lined up at the doorstep with their SS ready to deploy for Ike

11gilkey
11gilkey

@Reina Schuldiner What makes you think a team wants to trade a major league ready shortstop for a reclamation project like Ike Davis?

Gland1
Gland1

Who cares where he goes as long as the Mets get the best return possible for him? And geez give it a rest with Duda. We get it you don't want him here.

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

@Kyle MunroeDid you ever see Flores play first base you do not know if he can play. And i certainly do not want either Tejada or Drew as starter. For different reason. If Tejada is our backup ok i can handle that. But i do not want Drew very overpaid for what he can do . I do not want to give him the money per year or the years. 1 year at 8.5 -9 million for Drew ok i can deal with that not 15 million he is expectiong. See how well he did in the playoffs and world series . That proves he is not clutch his hrs were due to playing in Boston. 

willy
willy

Ike and Tejada

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

Exactly. You trade Ike for a bullpen piece and to clear money for drew. Sign drew and let duda/satin/Flores battle it out for 1st base. And all 3 of those guys besides duda can fill in at other positions. You can insert Flores or satin in the 2 whole having drew lead off and you just extend the lineup. I think that is the best case scenario for this team right now.

openmind6
openmind6

Not that I am defending the Wilpon's by any means, but don't you think Toronto is completely regretting their move at this point??

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

@Sentimental Steve@Ron Davisits just a view i heard. i hope Ike no matter if he stays or goes once he recovered from his ailments that put him on the DL. He worked this offseason on his hitting first move into the plate slightly then being able to stop giving pitchers the advantage by spitting on pitches he can't get too well. take more pitches. let them walk you if they want. 

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@Ron Davis Stephen Drew was 8th in fWAR last season among shortstops. I would only want him on a 2-year deal, maybe 3, but he'd be a nice complementary player to have at a premium position. It might be hard to believe, but there just aren't many better options at shortstop than Drew. To be fair, if Tejada bounces back to what he was in 2011 and 2012, he will be a nice option as well- he was worth 1.6 fWAR in 2011 in just 376 plate appearances and was worth 1.8 WAR in 2012 in 501 plate appearances. His OPS+ for those seasons was 97 and 91, respectively. That means he produced nearly league-average offense those two seasons at a position where offense was hard to come by. In comparison to Yunel Escobar, who I know many are a fan of getting, as I have been in the past, Escobar had an OPS+ of 97 last year and just 75 (!) in 2012. While it was up to 112 in 2011, it was just 80 in 2010. That means that in the past four seasons, when compared to what Ruben produced in 2011-2012, Escobar produced one season far above Tejada, one season of equivalent production and two seasons of far worse production. While it sounds crazy to say Tejada might be as good of an option as we have, that might very well be true. While it's all dependent on a bounce back, there is reason for hope. His BABIP last year was .228. It was .331 in 2011 and .339 in 2012- fairly consistent numbers. In his minor league career, his BABIP was pretty consistently in the .320 range. While I'm not entirely blaming his poor performance on bad luck, there is good reason to believe it definitely had a significant impact on it.

Gland1
Gland1

Why don't you explain how Sandy can force another team to give up a great player for Ike.  And why don't you explain why you are crying about Sandy making a bad trade when no trade has been made and no team is really that interested in Ike?