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Ike Davis expected to be at Spring Training with the Mets

The Mets expect Ike Davis to be on the team at the start of Spring Training, since efforts to trade him this winter have been unsuccessful (Rubin, Jan. 5).

Sandy Alderson has been shopping Davis throughout the offseason, with the Orioles and Brewers showing the most recent interest (Puma, Dec. 27).

However, while attempting to get a pitching prospect for Davis, the Mets have been shot down when asking the Pirates for RHP Nick Kingham (Perrotto, Dec. 17), the Brewers for RHP Tyler Thornburg (McCalvy, Dec. 1) the O’s for LHP Eduardo Rodriguez (Encina, Jan. 4).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Orioles and Brewers expect the Mets to cut Davis during Spring Training, knowing it will only cost them $600,000 to let him go (as opposed to paying his estimated $4 million salary), as ESPN’s Buster Olney mentioned a few weeks ago. At the same time, Kendrys Moralres and Michael Young are still available on the free agent market, and there are other first baseman rumored to be available in trade. So, why overpay for Ike when a) there are other options, and b) Davis could be a free agent in a few weeks? I assume the Mets keep letting his price be known, all while hoping one of the teams decide to answer the call. Otherwise, it reads like the Mets are fine going to camp with Ike and seeing what happens with him (be it in St. Lucie or around MLB). 

Michael Baron, Contributor

Jan. 5: I’ve always maintained Ike is the better choice among the options at first base for 2014. Still, if Ike isn’t traded, he will be faced with questions about these ongoing rumors when he arrives to camp. Alderson said during the team’s kid’s holiday party last month that he wasn’t concerned about such a circumstance, but it could make for a very awkward and uncomfortable situation for both the player and the team. It’s certainly not an ideal situation for either side…

193 comments
Frank Kajtazi
Frank Kajtazi

I'm hoping with Ike batting lower in the lineup this year,it will take some pressure off of him,and he will relax a bit,and produce,maybe even have a bounce back year! :)

nc95
nc95

Ike davis 2014 comeback player of the year

Shawn Rosen
Shawn Rosen

I truly do not know how any of the these writers EXCEPT Baron have a job with metsblog anymore. Ike will not be dropped. It would not be smart. Alderson knows what hes doing. He's telling Ike through the media that we are trying to trade you BUT if we cant you can try and WIN the job back by having a great spring. Do yourself a favor a work really hard this winter. 

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

My gut tells me that Ike Davis is going to have a good year no matter where he plays.

Curtis Batdorf
Curtis Batdorf

Nobody in MLB wants Ike Davis.          ...that will do wonders for his confidence.


Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Two years ago he was awful to start the year. The team stayed with him and he admitted he was pressing, got inside his own head, etc. He did rebound nicely the second half of the year. The net year he does the same thing but worse. Gets sent down to Vegas. Never recovered. 

Now he goes into an off season knowing full well the Mets tried to give him away and couldn't. So he goes into ST knowing the Mets don't want him and nobody else does either. So based on his history and logic, do you really think with his track record he's going to "rebound"? Logic tells you he'll hit .100! 

I hope he starts great and hits 30 HR's but I just don't see how any fan can logically expect anything out of him. 

Richard J Brienza
Richard J Brienza

What they also forgot is that he will also have valley fever until August 

bigdirty
bigdirty

Davis is worth more to the Mets than to any other team. Trying to deal him was a good idea as long as the mets got something they could use. If they didnt, having Ike come in and fight for his job is not the worst thing. 


he has shown that he has talent but competition for a job should make him better

drmetfan
drmetfan

I don't get this; if the Mets plan to cut him in spring training why not just trade him for a mis level position prospect? It just does not make any sense.

james manfrede
james manfrede

I hope they keep ike and trade duda,ike wll be back and hit 30 homeruns..bat 250 and have 90 rbi with the grandy man in the lineup...please sign drew to a 2 year deal that is what this team needs...

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

If they cut him, would the signing team end up having to pay the arb salary or could he then be offered whatever to remain employed? If that's the case, why not cut him, then join the bidding to try and edge out another team and keep him on the cheap? He's not worth his 2013 salary and I'd be shocked to see anyone offer him $3M. No one is going to see him as a $4M player, at this point.

dave27a
dave27a

The public nature of all of this has been absurd, counter-productive, and ultimately, perfectly Mets-like.  Ike has struggled, but he still has significant upside, and is by all accounts, a good teammate.  This idea that job 1 for the offseason was unloading him is ridiculous.  


I don't see how Duda has done anything to earn a shot at this job, much as Davis has earned the need to fight for it.  But in any case, competition is good.  Making it publicly known that one guy is gone regardless undermines the whole approach however.


People have struggled worse than Davis and rebounded - with the same team mind you - to be solid contributors.  Anyone remember how god-awful Pat Burrell was for a stretch in early 2007 with the Phillies and how desperate they were to dumphim?  He stayed and was a major force for them.  just one example.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Tarheel11 The Mets didn't try to give him away... why do you think he's still on the Mets? They were asking for Dylan Bundy from the Orioles and Eduardo Rodriguez from the Orioles AND Thornburg from Milwaukee... The Mets are clearly okay with keeping him as they didn't just "give him away" for nothing. They could have if they really didn't want him back. So your entire comment isn't all that accurate. Actually, if he is given a chance to be better, I think he will be. He saw that they wanted top prospects for him which shows him that they view him as valuable. So with that said, I could see a decent to good year from Davis. He's done it before in NY, and hes only 26. Who's to say he can't do it again? All aboard the band wagon when he hits 30 HR's.

30yrmetfan
30yrmetfan

They're not going to cut him, Cerrone doesn't know what he's talking about. Duda still has a aaa option worse comes to worse Ike is opening day 1st baseman in queens duda is opening day 1st baseman in Vegas.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

Not that I think Ike Davis or his potential are as great as some make it seam, but I didn't expect to get anything significant for Byrd and Buck either.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Travis Walls

Funny part is they have a guy that no other team will give up anything to get but a decent percentage of Mets fans seem to be in love with him and think 90% of his career is an aberration.

dolemite
dolemite

@rstpigeonHe would have signed elsewhere and we wouldn't have gotten anything. They could try to pre-emptively sign him to a contract but if it's lower than the expected arbitration number the union would be displeased- not to mention he wouldn't have any incentive to sign.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@rstpigeon Could have just non-tendered him if that's what they wanted to do.

dolemite
dolemite

@dave27aJob 1 was getting some offense in the outfield.  Job 2 was trading Ike for something Sandy thought was good, they never wanted to just unload him.  Just like Murphy - Sandy thought there could be an opportunity to profit.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dave27a Thing is Burrell by 2007 had a track record of performance for the Phillies.  Also, his 2007 season is better than any season Ike has produced so far.  It's quite a leap to make that comparison. 

Baseball Reference compares Ike to guys like Justin Smoak and Kevin Maas.  A couple of other good comparisons may be Joe Charboneau (1980 AL ROY) who was out of baseball by 1983  or Mike Jacobs who posted a 32HR/93 RBI season in his age 27 season and was out of baseball 2 years later.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@dave27a I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone recover from this.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Steven Matregrano So Ike has two years in a row started out like garbage (can't argue that). Two years ago he rebounded. Last year he couldn't. So knowing how he himself admitted to pressing what logic tells you that's going to stop? He's more than likely going to do the same. That's just baseball. You don't know what he's going to do this year, and neither do I. But logic and history and track record tell you he's going to struggle. Plain and simple.

You can't use Drew's injury history against him and say he's injury prone and therefore assume he's going to be injured and use that logic but then not use it towards Ike. Common sense.

As a fan, I pray to God he sees a good sports therapist and hits 30 HR's and is a beast. But logic tells you he's MORE THAN LIKELY not. 

Hodges14
Hodges14

@30yrmetfan Actually I think they might cut him, especially if they need the money to sign another player.  They tried shopping him around and no one is interested.  They have done their due dilligence.

30yrmetfan
30yrmetfan

How is two bad starts adding up to 6 months, "90% of his career?

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

@dolemite@rstpigeonWhy would he "already" have signed elsewhere? There is a gap between becoming a free-agent and signing. I was wondering if the Mets could exploit that gap by deciding to bid on him after he's released. Are the Mets prevented from contracting a player once they release him? I don't think so. The player's union would hate it but I think it's within the rules.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

@Hodges14@rstpigeonThe thing is, of they non-tendered him at the start, they wouldn't have been able to shop him around, though. Wouldn't he have been a free-agent, right at that point?

dave27a
dave27a

@Hodges14 @dave27a He was hitting .201 three months into the 2007 season.  Comparing Burrell's 2007 season to Ike's 2012 is actually pretty spot on.


You are correct in that he was a much more accomplished hitter for a much longer time when his struggles began, but the fact remains he looked dreadful for awhile and worked it out - in a much more demanding environment and even less forgiving town.


Baseballreference similarity comparisons are based on aggregate career numbers -  I never said Ike was comparable to Burrell over his career, but he absolutely is in those particular seasons.

dave27a
dave27a

@MMIAA @dave27a  From what, a slump?  Ike Davis himself recovered from his first half of 2012 in the second half and wound up with 32 homers and 90 RBI.  He didn't rebound quite as well in the second half of 2013, but he was certainly far more productive and getting on base at a nice clip, even it if was because no one had any interest in throwing him anything close to the strike zone.



rstpigeon
rstpigeon

@Steven MatregranoThe cost is around $4M to keep him, $600K to cut him loose. they sure could use $3M to sign someone else to fill a slot. That's the tough decision - if they can't trade him (and it seems they cannot), they have to believe he'll earn his keep or they have to cut him loose. Basically, he'll either become their 1B or he'll be worthless to them, in every way.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Hodges14 @30yrmetfan I dont think they need his 600K to help sign another player.. lol also they tried shopping him and teams were interested, but they wanted top decent prospects for him which is why they weren't interested. 


if they traded him it would have cleared like 4MM

If they cut him they only lose 600K (or somewhere around that)

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Hodges14 @30yrmetfan Hes 26 years old.. why are we jumping the gun to say he sucks when he has proved to be strong defensively and has proven he can hit in NY with his 30 HRs. To expect a spectacular rookie season from anyone shows you don't know sports and are just talking.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@30yrmetfan Show me his solid season.  He broke into the majors in 2010.  Had a decent but unspectacular rookie season and not much since.  His career .242 average and .768 OPS are pedestrian at best for a first baseman.  What is everyone seeing?

dave27a
dave27a

I'm hardly infatuated with Ike -   all I started by saying is that it's absurd that he is being shopped so publicly, and that he's the best option - by default - on the current roster for 2014.


Trust me, I'd have preferred they non-tendered both and used the savings to sign a real solution.


As for Kingman, I don't remember people hating him….I just remember that in his second stint he was the first baseman when Hernandez was acquired, and it put so much added focus on what a one-dimensional player Kong was.  I'd love us to go get a stud 1B that makes us feel the same way about Ike-  but Lucas Duda is certainly not that guy.


flushed
flushed

Connor Jackson is the better comparison; Davis will be out of baseball in about two years.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dave27a @Hodges14

Hard for me to understand the infatuation with Davis when I watched the fans hate Dave Kingman and Kingman was a better power hitter than Davis.

dave27a
dave27a

@Hodges14 But I am.  It's just an example of a freaking guy who was given up for dead at a point and rebounded….period.  

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dave27a @Hodges14 You're not seeing that Burrell's rebound in 2007 dwarfed Davis' rebound in 2012.  In the 2nd half of 2012 Davis hit HRs... but nothing else.  He batted .254 from June - end of the season.

dave27a
dave27a

@Hodges14 @dave27a Apparently you're having difficulty with the concept that in both cases they were dreadful for several months and rebounded to put up big numbers.  Sorry, let me be clearer - the TRAJECTORIES of their respective seasons were similar.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dave27a @Hodges14

Burrell OPS in 2007 was .902

Davis OPS in 2012 was .771

Their seasons really weren't close.  If Ike was posting .902 OPS seasons the Mets wouldn't be looking to give him away.

dave27a
dave27a

@Hodges14 @dave27a I don't disagree with that - but they unfortunately aren't looking for a 1B.  They are looking to dump Ike and hand the job to Duda, who hasn't earned it and is worse than Ike.


Maybe they should have non-tendered both and actually made re-ivesting that $$ in a real 1B a priority.  Short of that, Ike's a better shot to contribute.

jose_who
jose_who

@Hodges14 After starting the season the way he did, to end up at a .771 OPS was pretty great. Look at the OPS from April to July, then July to the end of the year. I'm not saying Ike is the second coming or anything, but he was quite impressive the 2nd half of '12. 

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dave27a @Hodges14 and now they can't even find a team to give him away.  The Mets need someone at first base they can depend on to produce runs and bat behind Wright.  They don't need to waste another years of Wright's career hoping that Ike Davis' career has a 180 degree turnaround.

dave27a
dave27a

@Hodges14  Please with the OPS.  I didn't say he was Eddie Murray, but a home run is a home run and 90 RBIs are 90 RBIs.  It was enough so that a year ago no one was talking about releasing him or being desperate to deal him.

dolemite
dolemite

@dave27a@MMIAAAgreed - if Ike plays all of 2014 the way he played the last couple of months of 2013 AND plays nice defense we will be glad to have him. He would be a steal at 3M

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dave27a @MMIAA Why throw a strike to a hitter who has consistently shown he will swing and get himself out with pitches out of the strike zone?

Ike's 32HR season has been vastly over rated.  He posted  a .771 OPS.