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Ike Davis Rumors: Rays, Brewers have interest, world waits on Hart

The Brewers are working to get a deal done with free-agent 1B Corey Hart (Haudricourt, Dec. 10), who has a one-year offer from Milwaukee (McCalvy, Dec. 11). The Mariners are also in on Hart, and he will choose between the two (Nightengale, Dec. 11).

However, if Hart doesn’t decide by the end of the Winter Meetings, the Brewers will push to acquire Mets 1B Ike Davis (MartinoRubin, Dec. 10).



12:42 pm: The Mets are firmly asking the Brewers for RHP Tyler Thornburg in a deal for Davis (McCalvy, Dec. 11).

12:16 pm: The Mets are trying to leave the Winter Meetings without Ike Davis, ‘one way or another,’ according to friends of MetsBlog in Orlando (Cerrone, Dec. 11).

12:15 pm: There are more teams interested in Marlins 1B Logan Morrison than Davis, according to people with knowledge of the market (Cerrone, Dec. 11).

12:11 pm: The Rays and Brewers have done a lot of background work on Davis, they’re still interested, but also still waiting to see what happens with Hart (Martino, Dec. 11).

11:20 am: There is no guarantee Hart returns to the Brewers, a person briefed on the situation said (Sherman, Dec. 11).

11:00 am: The Rays are definitely still interested in Davis, as are the Brewers and maybe two other teams (Sherman, Dec. 11).

10:40 am: Multiple teams are showing interest in Hart, who still has a strong relationship with the Brewers (Heyman, Dec. 11).

10:00 am: ESPN New York’s Adam Rubin feels the Brewers are more likely to acquire Marlins 1B Logan Morrison than Davis, in the event they move on from Hart (Twitter, Dec. 11).

9:45 am: The Brewers are still waiting on a response from Hart (Heyman, Dec. 11).



The Mets have continued to talk with teams about Davis, who has reportedly drawn interest from the Rays, Astros, Orioles, and Brewers, among other teams…

In talks for Davis, the Mets asked the Brewers for young, controllable pitching, such as prospect Tyler Thornburg (Duquette, Dec. 10).

The Rays like Davis (Martino, Dec. 9) as well, but may not be their first choice (Rubin, Dec. 10). They are also interested in Marlins 1B Logan Morrison (Heyman, Dec. 9) and Rangers 1B Mitch Moreland (Martino, Nov. 26). Nevertheless, the Mets and Rays continued talking Tuesday (Puma, Dec. 10).

It was reported last month that Tampa will consider swapping Davis for OF Matt Joyce (Topkin, Nov. 27).

There have been reports connecting the Mets and Davis to the Orioles and Pirates, but there does not seem to be significant interest from either side (ShermanPumaMartino, Dec. 9).




222 comments
Justin Marks
Justin Marks

How about Ike Davis, Zach Wheeler, Juan Legares, and Brandon Nimmo for Ryan Braun with the Brewers throwing in a good amount of money.

jjong
jjong

According to Olney, both Rays/MIL is after Loney and Morrison; so I guess Ike is good as a Met.

mets2014
mets2014

corey hart signed with seattle

Skyking
Skyking

I'm not in favor of trading Davis but Thornburg has good stuff with a 92-95 mph fastball and has reached 97, throws a good change up along with a curve. I would be happy with Thornburg if we get him but I won't be happy with Duda at 1b. Now what do we get for the 3M pennies we save on Davis.

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

OT: Anyone else favoring the new format over disqus? Nice thing here is that there are no 'dislike' buttons which allowed some weasels to over use that "feature".

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

Please tell me Thornberg would be ready to pitch this year....

WE DONT NEED ANYMORE STINKIN' PROSPECTS!!!

orangeblue
orangeblue

i love how they follow certain "parameters" in a huge market such as NY. spend money to make money wilpon & co.  get garza to queens, sign hanson or maholm or garcia or whatever gap stopper you want for thor.  want a SS but don't want to pay for one, let ruby have another shot at disappointing us, make flores the SS (whatever about his range, DW will help him cover). 1B still a problem after tomorrow, let ike play as he is a better player than milk dudz who is afraid to rip the ball.  sign vets to minor league deals to cap off the offseason and move forward.

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

It would be nice if we could trade Ike for Thonburg.

KMO82
KMO82

I don't know much about Thornburg, is he a Montero type prospect?

ADerosby
ADerosby

While I want Ike gone, I trust Sandy. He stood firm with Beltran and Dickey.

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

If the Mets truly want to leave Orlando without Ike on the team . I think they will be burned because they will lower their demands and will acept basically anything for him. 

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Good maybe something will get done. How many years have we gone looking forward to the winter meetings, and trade deadlines only to come away with nothing? If we go into March with this team and a bunch of has beens on minor league deals, there won't be any money coming out of my pockets for tickets. If the Mets can't afford a payroll over $90 million then I can't afford to go see them.

DMMP
DMMP

@Skyking As I've suggested.  This seems more like a pre-curser to additional moves.  For example.. Save 3 Mil on Ike, Trade Murph and Montero (a net 5 mil savings for 8 mil saved) and throw that on to your funds as they are... and acquire something serious... Ala Kemp for those guys. (maybe even throw in a 3rd name into that mix)

Watson5665
Watson5665

I'm assuming that you connected through Twitter or Facebook? People logging in through sny can't setup avatars and don't get notifications. In other words, we aren't really connected to livefyre. I'm assuming that your experience is different. Yes?

WillisReid
WillisReid

@Ben Bongadowski I miss that you don't get reply notifications.  The dislike option is irrelevant, unless you're insecure:-)c

DMMP
DMMP

@Ben Bongadowski I do wish I could see comments on my own posts a little more rapid fire like you used to be able to...  However, I do like the quicker rapid updates.  


jjong
jjong

well, MIL manager stated that he is penciled in for 5th starter.

muskytoes
muskytoes

@Andrew Herbst And throw in Duda and Satin for free. Then that whole mess is Milwaukee's problem, and we can start fresh. 

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@KMO82 he was the Brewers top prospect a year ago, and #82 overall according to MLB.com...hes a midlevel rotation type...in 18 games last year (7 starts), he went 3-1 with a 2.03 ERA...he also was the Brewers 3 round pick a while back....similer to Montero..

KMO82
KMO82

@DMMP @Skyking They'd never trade for Kemp, Sandy isn't about taking those kind of risks.

DMMP
DMMP

@xavier22 @Ben Bongadowski People always tend to dislike change because it's something different for them to get used to and that's annoying and tedious. But eventually, it just becomes the norm.  The only thing that really frustrated me was that you can't login through disqus.

ken1010
ken1010

@bcleveland The way you describe him, maybe he is a closer if he can conquer the control issues.

KMO82
KMO82

@Eric Koeller @KMO82 Well, I am in the group that would like to keep Ike because he has 30HR potential and we don't have many of those but if you can get another Montero for him and save money to make other moves we need I'd be happy with that and I guess I could live with Duda at first.

DMMP
DMMP

@Eric Koeller @KMO82 Montero is a control pitcher.  Thornburg is a dominant stuff kind of pitcher. Mid-high 90's with nasty breaking stuff.  Also... Older than montero (just turned 25)   There are some scouts out there that still see his peak as being a poor mans Lincecum.  He pitched pretty well in the majors last season, though did poorly in the minors for whatever reason.  I'd expect him to immediately become our 4th or 5th starter if we acquired him (moving to the pen when Syndergaard or Montero (if not traded after this) are ready.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

I'd be figuring Sandy would flip Thornburg for a position player. They really don't need a back end of rotation pitching prospect. At this point, the mission for Sandy appears to be getting what you can without money and that precludes getting another OFer.

muskytoes
muskytoes

@dreamer3kx It's pathetic and patently dumb, but dumping Ike and/or Murphy for pitching prospects is Sandy's way of finding the extra money to get another bat. 

DMMP
DMMP

@dreamer3kx @Ron Davis We need a pitcher.  We need at least another bat. We need a reliever.  If we can trade ike for a 4th or 5th starter, for example.... we save that money and fill a need.  It also opens up the ability to trade a starter in the minors E.G. montero if we acquire another pitcher.  Trading Ike could lead to further moves fast.

DMMP
DMMP

@KMO82 @DMMP @Skyking It's clear sandy still recognizes the need for one more big bat... So you never know.  I suggested Kemp, but I was only really offering his name as an example.  Though... This is the mets... So you're probably right. I'm just hopeful he sees the big picture here, and isn't just trying to save pennies.

DMMP
DMMP

@jjong a lot of time, trades are discussed at the winter meetings that don't pan out for a couple weeks or two, until the details are worked out.  Other trades go through, more players are signed.  I don't think it's impossible that Ike could still be traded, just less likely. 

jjong
jjong

I know.  I think that if Ike is not trade by today, he will remain with the team.

jjong
jjong

We will wait and see. Hopefully he goes to Seattle.

DMMP
DMMP

@KMO82 @DMMP This offseason, I've seen the team make a few moves... One of which I thought made sense but I didn't know if they would (Granderson) so do I?  I'm not sure quite yet what direction this team is going... To me, it makes sense that it would lead to more things happening... Of course... This team and "makes sense" don't always go hand in hand. You're correct in that.

KMO82
KMO82

@DMMP @KMO82 Agreed but do you have confidence in this ownership making moves? I can see them doing nothing just as easily, but yes it would seemingly open up other avenues.

DMMP
DMMP

@KMO82 To me... This is a trade that seems like it would be like dominos falling.  Opens up more trade chips... ETC. It just makes too much sense.

DMMP
DMMP

@KMO82 @DMMP Ike has shown 1 and a half seasons of nothing to me.  and about 2 seasons of great to me.  That's 50/50.  What if Ike just is what he was.  The league didn't quite figure him out his first couple seasons, adapted, and Ike never did... or doesn't have the ability to.

KMO82
KMO82

@DMMP and I agree with this too.  Ike has the higher ceiling over Duda but the lower floor. My fear is the Mets just pocket the cash saved and do nothing after moving Ike. As I said if they get a solid piece for Ike and then make other moves I am all for it. 

DMMP
DMMP

@Eric Koeller @DMMP @KMO82 Absolutely agree.  This is pretty much how I view the mets outlook right now myself.  In that acquiring another pitcher for Ike takes care of that hole and allows other players to become more expendable via trade.  (which those trades coupled with ike being traded would save the cash we could use to either acquire a big bat with a high salary, or sign a guy like drew.)

KMO82
KMO82

@DMMP Agreed, I can't argue with you but of course at 26 and the fact he has shown the ability to produce what if he straightens things out and goes .260 30 100, what is his value then? We don't know the future so it's a crapshoot on this one. If they can get value for him like you say then I am fine with it no matter what happens in the future.

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@DMMP @KMO82 @Eric Koeller thats why i believe the mets are so eager to deal him...best case scenario, ike becomes late 2012 Ike and hits 30 bombs at a .260-.270 pace...but the worse case there is literally no production from him like we saw last year 


but as for Duda, he might not have Ike's upside, but the worst case Duda will still be somewhat productive... 


while Ike has the potential to be a middle of the order bat, i don't think the mets want to take risk on his being useless and would rather acquire middle of the order bats from somewhere else and let Duda be a 7 hitter

DMMP
DMMP

@KMO82 @DMMP @Eric Koeller My worry is that right now Ike has SOME value.  How much is to be determined, but it seems he has some value at least.  Lets say mets roll the dice on him and oops, he's Jason Bay part 2 (without the salary) and ends up worth nothing more than his release papers. I'd rather the team not take a risk on this one, when we have players that can play his position...

KMO82
KMO82

@DMMP @KMO82 @Eric Koeller I don't disagree with that at all. I only have interest in keeping Ike because of how we need everything we can get since we apparently can't go out and buy improvements and a guy that has hit 30HR before is something we don't really have but if you asked me do I think Ike will do that, I don't know, I doubt it based on his swing and lack of confidence so odds are you are better off trading him. As long as we don't just give him away to save money and then don't re-invest the money then I am fine with it.

DMMP
DMMP

@KMO82 @Eric Koeller I'm in that opposing group that thinks Ike is shot, and if another team thinks he can be returned to being that .260+ 30 HR bat, and is willing to give something decent back, be my guest.  Good luck. His swing was so effed last season and I saw nothing to suggest that he's anything but done.  Even his defense became shotty because he was so concentrated on his bat. Change of scenery guy if I've ever heard of one.  I heard this tale once with Jason Bay and I'd rather not explore it again.  That said... I could be wrong.  Just what I think based on what I've seen.

DMMP
DMMP

@rstpigeon It actually makes sense.  They do need a back of the rotation pitcher.  They would be able to trade some pitching depth by making this move... and they could pair that pitcher with Murph.  (Think Montero and Murph for a big bat.)  It makes a bit of sense...

DMMP
DMMP

@muskytoes @dreamer3kx Thornburg isn't exactly a "Pitching Prospect." He'd likely become your 4th or 5th starter if we traded Ike for him.  We have pitching depth.  Right now, we're trying to find a placeholder for our guys in the minors till they are ready.  Unfortunately in a market where Bartolo Colon can command 10 mil a season and 2 seasons... Pitching is ridiculously expensive.  If you can fill it cheaply, that takes care of a problem and opens up a chip to be traded.  Dumping Murph for prospects seems foolish right now.  But trading Ike for at least a 4th or 5th starter doesn't seem too bad to me... Based on the idea that it could open up other routes for us.