Ike Davis

Ike Davis Rumors: Brewers, Rays want Loney, will settle for Ike

The Brewers intend to move quickly to get a first baseman (Haudricourt, Dec. 12), and they have interest in Ike Davis, as do the Rays (Martino, Dec. 11).

This morning, in the lobby while leaving the Winter Meetings, Mets GM Sandy Alderson and Brewers GM Doug Melvin were seen talking (Rubin, Dec. 12), leading to speculation that they were discussing Davis (Cotillo, Dec. 12).

The Brewers and Rays are also reportedly interested free-agent 1B James Loney and the one who doesn’t get him will probably end up acquiring Davis (Rubin, Dec. 11). The Pirates are less interested in Davis, though they are pursuing Loney (Rubin, Dec. 11).

In talks for Davis, the Mets asked the Brewers for RHP Tyler Thornburg (McCalvy, Dec. 11Duquette, Dec. 10), and the Rays may have offered OF Matt Joyce (Topkin, Nov. 27).

Also on Wednesday, the Mariners acquired 1B Corey Hart and 1B Logan Morrison, which led to speculation they could push to move 1B Justin Smoak (Sherman, Dec. 11), which would could further complicate the market for Davis.




41 comments
Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

Mets need Loney. Trade them two of their loonies for him.

paulio
paulio

The Rays don't typically trade away prospects. I don't see it. It'll probably be the Brewers or the Pirates.....or maybe some mystery team.

Matt Doyle
Matt Doyle

I hope a chinaman pees on his rug

Skyking
Skyking

Right now i'm not a fan of Ike or Duda and would like to see them both gone and a trade for a 1b that can clean up but realistically the mets will not receive fair value for Ike. They should go with him for another year to reestablish his value.

Michael Vincent DiPaula
Michael Vincent DiPaula

the way I see it there are 2 teams now after Ike the Pirates and Brewers so one will get Loney and the other will get Ike. 

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

I'm hoping the Rays could give us Escobar for Ike if he goes to Tampa.

Matt Doyle
Matt Doyle

If Lucas duda ends up being our first baseman u might have to put me on suicide watch

David Schoenfeld
David Schoenfeld

Trading Ike for pennies on the dollar will be a mistake.  This guy can hit.  I understand he hasn't hit much recently, but we know for a fact that he can.  He had a 3.1 WAR in his ROOKIE year.  He started off his sophmore year on fire until he got hurt.  In a terrible 2012 he still hit 32 homers.  


Now I'm no hitting coach and I don't know what the problem is, but someone should be able to get Ike back to the guy who took NY by storm early on.  I was encouraged by the end to his season last year after he came back up from the minors.  he was taking bad pitches (hence all the walks as pitchers were trying to get him out with junk, like the scouting reports told them to do) and hitting mistakes.  His 2nd half OPS last season was 954 (only 105 ABs) but that's still amazingly good and encouraging.  if he had never been good before maybe you could write it off as a fluke, but I believe in this guy having talent.  


Maybe he's stubborn and hasn't figured out yet that he needs to look at tape and fix whatever's broken.  Maybe he did some of that in the minors and it fueled his excellent second half numbers.  People will point to how "all he did was walk" when he came back and how "we need him driving in runs" but it's all about the APPROACH.  he has to show pitchers he isn't going to swing at garbage.  if he had been more concerned with "driving in runs" he may have been swinging at bad pitches, getting outs and everyone would rip him for it.  As long as his approach can be good and he can wait for his pitch and be aggressive with balls in the zone the RBIs will come because pitchers won't be able to get him out outside the zone.  


he's young.  He's gonna go somewhere else and figure it out and we're all going to wonder how we let another one get away.  Many of you calling for him to go will be leading the charge, accusing Sandy of being a moron and getting "nothing for him".

Mike Boussidan
Mike Boussidan

Why don't we sign Loney, and have the two bid for Ike

beers22
beers22

Mariners did the Metsies a huge favor, taking two 1st baseman off the board, and offering up the terrible Smoak, who is worse than Ike.  That would make things less complicated by my logic.

Vic Scarpelli
Vic Scarpelli

Sign drew for as after clearing Davis and his contract. Let the left overs battle it out for 1b time. Or move Murphy to 1b and young to 2b . Options anyway

Jesse Franky Francione
Jesse Franky Francione

The mets are now weirdly in the stage where you have to many options for OF and 1b kinda strange...heres what i would do id get rid of whoever goes first duda/davis one of them simply just needs to go then whoever stays platoons with satin who hit very well last year. Then whoever i trade i would send ven decker/lagares with them also to get A SHORTSTOP because Ruben tejada is a AA baseball player he is plain old awful with these moves or something along those lines we finally have a good major league lineup and a GOOD pitching staff without matt harvey 

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

The nature of first base is that you could platoon it without sacrificing power, or even stick Murphy there and have a good doubles hitter, but a corner OF'er with some power and good defense is harder to acquire, so for that reason, if trading Ike(and Ike is more expensive, but it shouldn't be a factor in New york, yet somehow is) he should probably be paired with a Lugares or Eric Young, to try and get a reasonably defensive corner outfielder with a formidable  bat. I understand people are worried about needing a lead off hitter, but power bats need protection and having a lead off guy in a corner outfield spot, doesn't seem like a good idea. People can say youre getting more power out of the center fielder anyway, but I think Granderson may need protection in the order based on his strike out totals, so given the team is gonna be structured on the Reyes, lead off, shortstop model, mets should try to go without a traditional lead off hitter type, unless Murphy goes to first and EY jr, goes to second.  That or Tejada needs to be platooned with a lefty. 


I actually think Flores as a chip gives them some good options to acquire a powerful outfield and an infield that could be assembled with a reasonable, platoon ball concept in mind. 



My apologies if anybody replies to this, because I probably wont respond because I can barely keep up with all the material on here, let alone comment section.

Apollyon Ootb
Apollyon Ootb

I wouldn't trade Ike. I would trade duda. He's always hurt and his hitting isn't where they need it to be. Ike May not be hitting right now but he plays everyday. He also is better defensively than duda. If we trade Ike you know he's gonna kill us in the regular season and have serious numbers against us. Don't trade Ike!!!!!

Peter Wengler
Peter Wengler

Anyway its possible for the Mets try and get a SS  from Tampa for Ike. Either Tim Beckman, Hak JU Lee, even Yunel Esocbar. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

So best case scenario we should hope for Pit to sign Loney so that the Mets could have both Mil and TB in play for Ike to create some leverage for a potential mini bidding war.

mrnegative
mrnegative

The mets shouldn't have to wait to trade Ike to sign Drew (which I think they are trying to do). Ike is as good as gone so they should just pull the trigger on Drew.

Ziggy Jones
Ziggy Jones

why don't the mets just sign loney? clearly teams value him more than the other two. than teams looking for 1b help need to go through the mets or the mariners basically.


assuming that doesn't happen, why would the mets want to trade ike anyway? his value is at an all time low, so of course team's want to trade for him, b/c they think they can get him for nothing. duda at least hit 15 homers last year, so there's some selling point. the difference is that duda probably hit his ceiling last year, while ike hit his floor. just a thought

Michael Hennessy
Michael Hennessy

If the Rays offered up Joyce already the Mets should have taken that deal right away. He is the perfect platoon guy to go with Young in the OF

mike23
mike23

These teams that have interest in Ike must see something they like so unless they get something of value for him they might as well give him one last try next season as their starting 1b and see what happens, I mean is Duda going to be that much better that they think he is the solution, I think Ike provides better defense as well. Unless Ike told the mets trade me, i'm done with this franchise I think the mets may be giving up Ike at the wrong time and may regret it as they have no legit replacement for him right now.

anymos
anymos

@David Schoenfeld Its past the point where you can blame Alderson for trading him.  If you combined his last two years, he's been an automatic out for more than one full season's worth of games.  Not just a bad hitter, an automatic out- the equivalent of having a second pitcher hitting in the lineup.  And this is at first base- a premium offensive position for most teams.  We tried- we left him out there while he was hitting .150 -.160 for months at a time, but I've seen enough.  If we're serious about trying to win games this year, he can't be the first baseman.  If he repeats his performance of the past couple years, it throws the whole season into dissarray.  He becomes a distraction, we have to start combing through the waiver wire to find a replacement or shifting guys around - shutlling Duda back and forth from Vegas - not to mention the impact on the budget of paying Ike his arbitration figure and then getting nothing for it.  On our budget, that $3.5M or whatever he gets is critical.

wishwehadreyesatss
wishwehadreyesatss

@David Schoenfeld


Agreed, give him one more shot. hitting 6th he should be fine. Duda still has options and should start the year at AAA. Satin can be the platoon with Ike.


Ike/Satin should produce 30 hrs/ 85-100 rbi's/ .260-.280 avg.



Hodges14
Hodges14

@Jesse Franky Francione I would think though that Granderson is the only definite for the outfield at this point.  The others all have something to prove to grab a permanent spot.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Apollyon Ootb Duda's always hurt, but Ike isn't?  Did you miss the 3/4 of the 2011 season where Ike was hurt or the last 6 weeks in 2013?

Hodges14
Hodges14

@mrnegative Agreed... worst case they could cut Ike in spring training and save most of his salary that way IF Ike's salary is really the road block to signing Drew.

Kevin Hurd
Kevin Hurd

@Ziggy Jones Sadly, I think it's more about shedding payroll than it is about who has the higher ceiling.

Michael Weggeland
Michael Weggeland

@Michael Hennessy I really don't think they brought Chris young in here and paid  him 7 million to platoon. He's going to get 400 or 500 at bats. The way that they are with money, I seriously doubt that he won't pretty much play every day making that much money.. And let's not forget we need to get Eric young at bats  too because he is really our only lead off option. I am concerned that Lagares is gonna get screwed out of playing time and that would suck.

rdogg1976
rdogg1976

@mike23 You make good points. This is coming from a keep Duda, trade Ike fan. I agree though. Unless Ike asked to leave his 1B defense is not a work in progress. So if it takes Duda's more raw power and ability to play OF to get a trade to happen, do it. If we still have Murphy and Ike struggles again he can always take over first, and have E Young Jr take over 2nd.  We do that, sign Drew, send Chris Young on a one way trip to a 3rd world nation, then sign Cruz, i'm all set!

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@mike23 I think the Mets have given Ike more than enough chances. He has regressed significantly as a defender, and Duda showed surprisingly good hands and reactions at first base. Ike is going to get more money through arbitration because of his 30-homer campaign, even though it was a miserable season. Duda offers better power and on-base abilities than Ike, whose better on-base numbers were the pitchers refusing to throw strikes because they didn't adjust to him laying off pitches. He still has an awful swing. Duda, meanwhile, has a more compact swing and much better bat speed. He will platoon with Satin, who tore apart lefties, and I think the Mets hope Wilmer Flores emerges for them. The Mets will survive with decent production this year from the position and likely revisit the issue next offseason. There just aren't quality options out there that would be much of an upgrade (do you really want James Loney or Justin Morneau?). 

TJ Pallan
TJ Pallan

@mike23 Agreed completely, in fact id much rather drop duda, in that ike has much more potential. I would be ok with him being given another shot at the starting job because it doesnt seem like much would be received in a trade right now, so i see no point in trading him just to trade him. they can cut salary other ways like a duda/ murphy trade

Hodges14
Hodges14

@wishwehadreyesatss @David Schoenfeld He's had plenty of chances.  The league found the gaping hole in his swing and they exploit it every chance they get.  He apparently does not possess the ability to adjust to the pitching.

RS
RS

Hell make close to 4 mil. His value will be much lower next year if he doesn't show significant improvement. Next year he will have a year less of team control, and a higher salary.

Ziggy Jones
Ziggy Jones

@Zach Ripple @mike23 ike's only been around for 4 years. and the first two weren't bad until he went down with injury. so i think you're exaggerating a bit, considering it was hard to get a read on him after 2011 and 2012, and it's still hard to get a read on him now. i just feel like the mets aren't going to be able to get anything out of him or duda, but at least ike has potential for the mets to try getting out of him

beerfinger
beerfinger

You guys have short memories. All that comes to mind when I think of Ike Davis is his awful AB's vs lefties.

lgm86
lgm86

@beerfinger Agreed.  Did these people watch the Mets last season?  If we can't trade Davis, we should cut him.  He's TERRIBLE.