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HoF inductees to be announced Jan. 8, Mike Piazza appears for the second time

The 2014 inductees to the National Baseball Hall of Fame will be announced on Wednesday, January 8.

Mike Piazza appeared on the ballot for the second time this year. He received 57.8 percent of the vote last winter – 75 percent is required to gain election into the Hall of Fame.

As of Tuesday morning, Piazza appears on 74.4 percent of publicly available Hall of Fame ballots.

Piazza’s 396 home runs as a catcher are the most by a catcher in baseball history – he was a career .308 hitter with a .377 OBP and .922 OPS with 427 home runs in 16 seasons between 1992 and 2007.

In 872 games with the Mets between 1998 – 2005, Piazza hit .296 with a .373 OBP and .542 SLG, 220 home runs and 655 RBI in 3941 plate appearances.

Michael Baron, Contributor

The numbers speak for themselves: Mike Piazza is a Hall of Famer. I was upset he didn’t get in last year. Piazza dominated at his position throughout the nineties and most of the first half of last decade. In general, there are too many “very good” players getting in these days, which is diluting the significance of the honor. But, Piazza wasn’t just very good, he was great and an iconic player in the sport during his era. He put his stamp on a franchise, and a city, and stands alone in so many defining moments for the franchise during that time period. That is the very definition of what a Hall of Famer is.

I hope this is the year for Piazza, and others who deserved the honor last year but didn’t get in…




84 comments
Luis Torres Quiñones
Luis Torres Quiñones

I'm sorry, but I don't believe Piazza is necessarily a "no brainer" for the hall. There are some serious questions about his involvement with PEDs and his defense was just horrible. Based on offensive stats alone, he does stand out a bit, but if we take into consideration that the hall should be reserved for only the best of the best, then Piazza's worthiness becomes a little blurry. If Roberto Alomar, one of the last great 5-tool players on the game, wasn't a first ballot, then I'm not surprised Piazza will have to wait a bit longer to get into the hall. I'll tell you what a first ballot HOF catcher looks like: Ivan Rodriguez.

mystere24
mystere24

Here's my ballot, in priority order, if I had a ballot:

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LOCKS

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1) Maddux
2) Thomas

3) Piazza

4) Bagwell

5) Glavine

6) Kent

7) Biggio
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BORDERLINE

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8) McGriff

9) E. Martinez

10 L. Walker

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FALL SHORT

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Mussina

Trammell

Raines

Schilling

Morris

Mattingly

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ABSOLUTELY NOT

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Bonds
McGwire
S. Sosa

R. Palmeiro

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

It's truly a bunch of BS that he wasn't inducted the first time around...he is the best offensive catcher in the history of the game. Period. That, matched with the fact that he was the face of a franchise in the biggest city in the country should get him in. The connection to steroids and all the other nonsense is just ridiculous. His numbers speak for themselves....and who gives the writers the right to vote Hall of Famers? Why do they have the final say as if their opinion holds more weight than any other fan of the game? The whole HOF process is arbitrary and ridiculous.

crash
crash

This has always been a no-brainer. Who is that idiot sportswriter who refuses to vote for anyone on their first year of eligibility?

Mohit Bhalodkar
Mohit Bhalodkar

unfortunately Glavine, Maddux, Thomas, and Biggio are all probably going in to the hall before Piazza does - seems like were going to have to wait a while

dave27a
dave27a

There isn't much more to say about Piazza - he belongs in the Hall and belongs in a Mets cap. Lets hope this is the year.

From a Mets perspective, lets also not forget that Glavine, who will get in, played here for 5 years...as long as Carter played here and longer than any HOFer other than Seaver and of course Piazza. I'm not comparing his tenure to Carter's and I know people judge him on his last start and career as a Brave, but this is still something Mets fans should also be proud of when it comes.

Brian Sementa
Brian Sementa

its a crime that his not in it gets me more mad that the MLB network lets him wear a dodgers uni when they talk about him in the HOF

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Clemens and Bonds are absolute hall of famers too, note it on their plaque and be done with it. Piazza has never been caught doing anything and I wonder if the book he released helps...maybe writers were worried that he was going to come out and say he did them or something. Could be giving the writers too much credit since half of them should have their voting writes stripped away.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Rather than look at the character of players who didn't fail a test or cast aspersions on them, the writers should be looking at both the stats and what they did for the game. By that measure,  those that tested positive for 'roids get left out because they disgraced themselves and the game plus they cast a shadow on other players in the era - that's an easy measure.


After that, look at the hall and the really great players there. Ask which ones were juicing the ball, juicing their bats, taking pills, getting some sort of snake oil to help boost their game (effective or not - it's still trying to cheat, right?) Did all they do wreck the game or cast fellow players in a bad light? Can guys like Piazza get in up against players like that?


The writers should pass over those who were caught or admitted to use and allow any player who simply stands in their shadow into the hall, if their play and contribution to the game would merit it.

SomeHighSchoolKid
SomeHighSchoolKid

Can someone please tell me how I change my profile picture????????????

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

The HOF voting process is an absolute joke. I honestly can't stand hearing about it because it's almost a given that someone is going to be screwed every year. 

jasonbay
jasonbay

We should just declare amnesty when it comes to the steroid era for anyone who didn't fail a test.  So Bonds, Clemens, Piazza & Bagwell get in (and McGwire & Sosa & Kent if you think they earned it)...Raffy doesn't.

tommets
tommets

Someone tell me if I'm understanding this right. So far, Piazza is on 74.4% of publicly available ballots. The announcement isn't until the 8th. So that means there are people who haven't voted and/or the private votes could also have voted for Piazza.

Corey Rockower
Corey Rockower

Player A:

82.9% of current updated ballots published (from http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsstand/discussion/the_2013_hof_ballot_collecting_gizmo)

20 years, 291 HR, 1175 RBI, .281/.363/.433/.796, >200 hits once, >.300 BA three times, total bWar 64.9


Player B:

74.4% of current updated ballots published

16 years, 427 HR, 1335 RBI, .308/.377/.545/.922, >.300 BA 9 times, total bWar 59.2


A=Biggio

B=Piazza 


And oh yeah B caught 1630 games behind the plate. I know this is relatively basic comparison but I would love for someone to explain to me logically how A gets 8% more votes so far (I know its a small sample of ballots but still) I know I know 3,000 hits is the *magic* number. Give me a break


kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Baron is spot on this time. Piazza belongs in the HOF!

TurkWendell4Life
TurkWendell4Life

What a joke, Mike Piazza was the best catcher of his generation. PUT HIM IN THE HALL.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Piazza was not the best catcher of his generation.  He was the best hitting catcher of his generation.  With respect to his defense, he couldn't hold Pudge Rodriguez's jock.  

Sylvan Migdal
Sylvan Migdal

"In general, there are too many “very good” players getting in these days, which is diluting the significance of the honor."


I guarantee you don't know of the slightest shred of evidence that recent Hall of Fame inductees have been of lower quality than inductees from 25 or 50 or 75 years ago.

David Roth
David Roth

Still amazed by his career average.  Incredible.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Piazza blamed Vin Scully for getting him dealt out of LA.  A significant minority of writers will vote him down just for that.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

He didn't make it in on the first ballot because of the platinum hair dye.  It troubled many, raised a plethora of questions and roused suspicions;  all unfounded, of course. 

Shawn M. Milburn
Shawn M. Milburn

Pudge was on the Mitchell Report, like Clemens, Bonds, Palmeiro and Sosa, he kissed away his chance by cheating

mystere24
mystere24

"Piazza's worthiness becomes a little blurry?" I think you need glasses. There are no serious questions about PED use. No failed drug tests, no accuser, nothing. One writer observed back acne and insinuated a cause with no proof and somehow that amounts to something substantial p. Lets not forget the media also "accused" him of being gay and were wrong about that.

As for Pudge, he is a HOF catcher but certainly not ahead of Piazza:

Rodriguez - 311 HR, 1,332 RBI, .296 BA,.798 OPS

Piazza - 427 HR, 1,335 RBI, .305 BA, .922 OPS

As for defense, Pudge was the closest I saw to Johnny Bench, who was the best ever. However, Piazza's defense was not as bad as you say. His throwing arm was horrible in terms of cutting down base stealers, but he was good in every other facet of the defensive game - calling games, blocking pitches in the dirt, tagging out base runners trying to score, pop-ups, you name it.

Piazza was, by far, the greatest hitting catcher of all time and a lock, no-brainer HOFer. It's a travesty he wasn't elected on the first ballot. The baseball writers should be ashamed of themselves painting him with the same PED brush as Bonds and Clemens with no evidence just because he played in the same era.

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

@crash The whole first ballot, second ballot, etc. crap is just plain stupid. If a guy is good enough to get in, he should be a first ballot HOF. Period. A player's contribution to the game does not change after they have become HOF eligible, and in some crazy cases, posthumously. 


Keith Olbermann put it best: it's a broken system run by a band of idiots.

dave27a
dave27a

The limit on each ballot is 10 so no reason he can't join them.

Also can't figure out why Thomas is immune to suspicion and innuendo when Piazza, Bagwell, and Biggio haven't been.

ReedRothchild
ReedRothchild

Why in the world should Met fans be "proud" of a player who came here for a payday, openly admitted not caring nearly as much as the fans after that last start, was not close to his Atlanta level as a Met, and whose HOF career was not even 1% based on anything he did in a Met uniform?

I would say we should all do our very best to forget Glavine as a Met.

Corey Rockower
Corey Rockower

@jasonbay the problem is an amnesty would only help if there was a rule prohibiting those guys from getting in. There's not, its up to writers who feel the need to police the HOF and until their stances change those guys will not get in the hall, right or wrong (its wrong)

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

@jasonbay This. I don't know how you can convict somebody based solely on accusations. Let the facts speak. 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Corey Rockower Right or wrong, B's enigmatic nature rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.   Everyone looks at Piazza's offensive numbers while neglecting his defensive numbers.  Catcher's, like shortstops are typically judged by their defense first. 

piazza4ada
piazza4ada

@Macacawitz 

and we all know a non quantifiable stat like "defense" always gets you into the HOF. pudges hitting should also consider his entire AL career.  

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

That's true, but it doesn't change the fact that Piazza deserves to be in the hall.

Sylvan Migdal
Sylvan Migdal

@Macacawitz Hey now, bleaching was rampant in the late 90s. When it's ubiquitous, and no one is doing anything to stop it, can you really fault a guy for taking any edge he can get?

dave27a
dave27a

300 wins cements his case, nearly 70 came as a Met. I could care less if he came for a "payday" - who doesn't? I am not saying people should flock to Cooperstown in 47 t shirts, but he made a more meaningful contribution to the Mets than most HOFers....pathetic as that is.

Seaver, Ryan, and Glavine will be the only HOF pitchers to win a postseason game for the Mets. So there is that.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@Andrew Wharton @jasonbay they weren't allowed to get the facts. But anyway the fact is a 60th round guy became the greatest hitting catcher of all time during the steroid era........What else you need. Sorry that the younger generation wants everyone to get along and doesn't call out cheaters. Andrew let me ask you a question. You get beat out of a promotion at your job. You find out the guy lied on his resume and that's how he got the job You are ok with that.

jasonbay
jasonbay

@Andrew Wharton @jasonbay We'll never know all the facts.  And the bottom line is that 'roids may have been illegal but they weren't specifically against the rules of baseball.  And culturally, for many years baseball looked the other way because it was in love with the long ball.  So all you can do at the end of the day is go by who played by the rules that were in place at the time...and that's testing after 2003.  This guessing game/innuendo is just ridiculous.

tommets
tommets

@Corey Rockower Ok, thank you. it'd be a real shame if he doesn't get in, especially by so little. He might not have been the best defensive backstop, but he is arguably at the top offensively. Plus there's always those assumers who say he took steroids just because of his era. Although, I think his book might have cleared up much of the controversy.  

Corey Rockower
Corey Rockower

@Macacawitz @Corey Rockower understood but piazza was not a typical catcher, there are few others in history who compare offensively because of the demanding nature of the position, which I would think outweigh the negatives defensively. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Macacawitz@Corey Rockowerno everyone looks at his offensive numbers and say he took "Something"..


Plus his defense wasn't Bad other than throwing out base runners. 


HR hitters are being  unfairly penalized.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@piazza4ada @Macacawitz  By the end of his career, Piazza couldn't reach 2nd base on the fly.

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

@Steve Musicant @MMIAA @Andrew Wharton @jasonbay THIS is a better comparison. I would absolutely not be okay with this situation, and if my employer used these accusations against me while ignoring the proven facts, I'd quit and find another job. Obviously, this isn't possible here because the BBWAA is the ultimate gatekeeper to the HOF.

Andrew Wharton
Andrew Wharton

@MMIAA @Andrew Wharton @jasonbay That's not a good comparison. If the guy really lied on his resume, it will show in his performance and he'll get canned or demoted. 


Do I believe cheaters should be called out? 100%. But when there is no solid evidence, regardless of what you believe took place during the collection of said evidence, it is simply wrong to continue to hold the accused accountable based on unsubstantiated hearsay. It doesn't matter if I think Bonds or Clemens cheated if I can't prove it. If you want to let them in and put an asterisk by their name to denote allegations of steroid usage, fine, but don't completely discredit these guys because of unproven claims. There needs to be perspective.


Moreover, I have a big problem with the fact that MLB all of a sudden become the morality police despite, in all likelihood, knowing what was going on back in the 90s. I also take issue with the BBWAA and the selection process in general. It's just completely stupid and half of these guys are clueless, IMO.

Steve Musicant
Steve Musicant

@MMIAA@Andrew Wharton@jasonbayThe round in which Piazza was drafted is entirely irrelevant.  The majors are full of overachieving guys who were low draft picks, Rule 5 picks, amateur free agents.  Has nothing to do with this subject.  Let's say you got passed up for a promotion because some spread rumors that you lied on your resume but you didn't.  Are you ok with that?

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Corey Rockower @Macacawitz Bench's best season was 45 hr - 148 rbi, Piazza's was 40 - 124.   True, Piazza did wind up with a much better average and more homers.  He will get in because of his offense, but it's understandable how he wouldn't get in on the first ballot.  

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@piazza4ada @Macacawitz @Corey Rockower I grew up watching Johnny Bench.  If you wanted the full package, that was the guy.  Piazza's offensive numbers are outstanding, and he will get in eventually because of them, but he was not the best catcher of the recent past by any stretch of the imagination.