Game Recap: Nationals 6 – Mets 3

The Nationals (23-20) took the final game of a three-game series against the Mets (20-23) 6-3 in D.C. on Sunday afternoon. Full recap and boxscore at SNY.TV


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Zack Wheeler (1-4) gave up five runs, three earned, and six hits, while striking out five, in six innings of work. Ruben Tejada made a two-out fielding error on the outfield grass that led to a two-run double in the third inning.

The Nationals bullpen didn’t allow a base runner, retiring the final nine batters to end the game. Washington’s bullpen is second in baseball with 2.10 ERA.

In the sixth inning, Juan Centeno drove in a run with a single, but was thrown out trying to stretch it into a double, which ended the inning and stranded a runner on third base. Earlier in the game, Daniel Murphy was caught over-running third base to end an inning and kill a potential rally.

The Mets had opportunities against Nationals pitcher Jordan Zimmerman (3-1), who ended up allowing just three runs and eight hits in six innings for his first win in three starts.


The Mets are off Monday before hosting the LA Dodgers on Tuesday at Citi Field.




275 comments
doublemet
doublemet

TC is a racist,he change the player and the pitcher when they are bitting the other team.dont believe wacht all the games ,he acts like Pete Rose.

doublemet
doublemet

TC got 2 go,pack his lugage and go home,thanks

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Sloppy Game, over trying and some shabby fielding along with poor pitching took us under put it behind you and comeback tomorrow.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

I'm willing to give Wheeler another start or two to work things out. He clearly has the talent. Was also victimized by some shoddy defense and Kafkaesque base-running. I apologize if someone else has brought it up already but this was one of those games where you can legitimately question Terry's sanity and baseball wherewithal. Ruben giveth and Ruben taketh but there's no way he should be batting with the team down a couple of runs and men on base. And Murphy may very well be the worst base-runner we've seen here since the days of Angel Pagan (and Reyes before him). Team fundamentals are brutal and the inability to turn a DP has haunted them on several occasions. If you MUST play an ineffective EYJr. thrown him at second (hardly an upgrade) and move Murphy to first. The Nationals lineup is decimated and the best we could do was take one game.

dave42
dave42

Here is how Wheeler compares with half a dozen hall of famers at the start of their careers:

Maddux - 187.2 innings, 5.59 ERA, 4.10 BB/9, 5.83 K/9

Ryan - 510 innings, 3.58 ERA, 6.07 BB/9, 8.7 K/9

Glavine - 646 innings, 4.29 ERA, 2.98 BB/9, 4.5 K/9

Randy Johnson - 406.1 innings, 4.03 ERA, 3.83 BB/9, 7.73 K/9

Clemens - 133.1 innings, 4.32 ERA, 1.96 BB/9, 8.51 K/9

Lefty Grove - 197 innings, 4.75 ERA, 5.98 BB/9, 5.3 K/9

Wheeler - 149.2 innings, 3.79 ERA, 4.33 BB/9, 7.82 K/9


The point is that most pitchers don't come up and star right away.  Harvey is very unusual in that, even when looking at 300-game winners.  Can we please exercise some patience with Wheeler? 

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

ESPN reports a guy got a tattoo of the owner of the Buffalo Bills. This inspired me to finally get me Fred and Jeff Wilpon tattoos...each on one cheek.

snarkerttack
snarkerttack

Someone joked about 'Wheeler to the pen'. I've been wondering if the Mets would send Wheeler down to get himself straightened out but the bullpen is intriguing. A pen with Mejia and Wheeler would be formidable.  If DeGrom is consistently good as his debut was, he could step right in to the rotation. At the risk of sounding pollyanaish, with all our young arms, we've got options.

Bob Higgins
Bob Higgins

Not impressed by wheeler at all.  Has that stupid Mike Pelfrey look . Man I miss Harvey

Dennis McShea
Dennis McShea

I will keep repeating this until it happens but Wheeler is the first to go when it comes time for the Mets to package some players together for a hitter. Thus far he has not show anything that shows consistency. Then again he is playing under manager Terry Collins who never shows any kind of consistency with his lineup..But that is my gut feeling. You have to trade something in order to get something...unless of course Sandy decides until next winter for what ever hitter on available in free agency.

Mark Phelan
Mark Phelan

It's not just the money, it's the personnel evaluation and coaching!


We needed an outfield for 2014.  Alderson got us 3 new outfielders, and he spent money.  The problem is they have all stunk, and one, Granderson, may stink for years to come.


And coaching, what's with the baserunning mistakes in almost every game?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

You people are unreal! The way you guys jump all over these young kids is unbelievable. 

Wheeler has not been great, nobody is denying that. But he's a 23 year old kid who has made 26 starts in his career. And he's 8-9 pitching for bad teams to an ERA of 3.79. Yet all of you are ripping this kid. 

It's actually pretty sad. The kid hasn't even been here a year and according to some of you guys, he's ruined for his career. 

How about giving the kid a chance? 

Kyungwan K. Chae
Kyungwan K. Chae

You know, Wheeler was supposed to be the corner stone of this new generation of Mets pitching, and Harvey wasn't really someone who was considered a great prospect until he showed in the bigs. Funny how people hailed Alderson for getting Wheeler, but people weren't excited at all when Harvey was drafted. Things have changed so quick so fast it seems.


I feel Wheelr was rushed, he needed a yr or so longer in AAA, but they rushed him in last year and I think it kinda ruined him. I don't know if he'll get it together, but if his year ends without some improvement, all he will become is Pelfrey 2.0.

Doubleday
Doubleday

THINGS I LEARNED TODAY:  


Nobody is afraid of a pitcher who looks Amish.


Reuben Tejada is finished.


Terry Collins  Has completely lost his marbles, and we need a new manager.


For a guy having an off-year, Wright is still batting .287.  Actually says a lot about Wright.


Juan Legaras and Wilmer Flores have to play every day.




garchooch
garchooch

Can someone tell me why cambel and flores did not get ab's today ? Why Tc lets tejada,EY,CY bat when we already know the result.

chasesimms
chasesimms

Understatement of the year:  This team badly needs a "Mike Piazza type trade".  Bring fans to Citi, and hopefully help with some wins.  A win, win.  

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

Things i learned/heard today.....

- Wheeler has some work to do.  I think he thought pitching up here would be a lil easier (why he was talking so big).  I'm not sure of the kid's work ethic, but i'm hoping in between starts he's working on pitch location.  That's the only thing i see that's killing him right now.

- We're hearing now that Lagares sat because: he needed a breather; he was taking too many poor ABs; they didn't like his display after a poor AB in one of his last games (something about a water cooler...) ok.  Cool with sending him a message, but i think TC and the gang may've taken it too far.

- Play Flores.  It's incredible to me that the Met FO are doing simultaneous damage to the psyches of their 2 best options at SS. You told him to put in time at SS at AAA, AFTER telling him he couldn't play SS for 2 years.  And then after he puts in some time, you call him up and sit him? 

- Firing Hudgens makes no sense.  This hitting philosophy is apparently coming from Sandy, not Hudgens.  Hudgens happens to like the philosophy too.  But if Sandy were to scapegoat Hudgens, he'd then just turn around and put another puppet in there.

- Don't be surprise if Montero and/or deGrom are the pitchers sacrificed to secure a bat or two.  Strikes me as odd that Sandy seems to be saving the Super 2 status of  Syndergaard only


mystere24
mystere24

We all know this is a flawed team and we all know what those flaws are. The solutions to our offensive woes at SS, 1B, and LF are not in the organization. To acquire them we either need to give up talent or money or both. Does Alderson have the guts to pull the trigger?

spelletrader
spelletrader

Restless fans always want to sell low and buy high, easy marks.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Ryan was wild and considered unteachable when he came up with the Mets. It's understandable why they gave up on him.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@dave42  Thank you! Wheeler has the misfortune of coming up right behind Harvey and is held to such an unreal standard. 

Glenn Blasius
Glenn Blasius

@scrubs  Wheeler def needs to be sent down to the minors to work on things.  He's confused and a number of times Keith mentioned he was telegraphing his curveball.  With Montero and DeGrom looking good, now's the time.  Wouldn't hurt to send him the message that he isn't a sure thing for the rotation.  He appears a little too glib at times.   Contrast this with Murph, who is always out there battling. 


BTW, also agree with Bob Higgins below.   Concerned that a guy with such 'easy cheese' cannot put batters away.   They must be sitting on his fastball - his secondary pitches all suck. 

Glenn Blasius
Glenn Blasius

@Dennis McShea  You can't trade your worst pitcher on the staff and get gold.  EVeyrone in the league is seeing this as well.   Makes no sense to sell low. 

spelletrader
spelletrader

He hasn't shown anything, why would he be of any value in a trade for a bat?

#fanlogic

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Mark Phelan  Most people thought the Granderson signing was a good move. The problem is that we needed another bigger bat to compliment that move. Granderson is not a clean up hitter. 

The Chris Young signing was SA acting out of desperation at the time. He felt he needed to get 2 OF's and he overpaid to get CY early to make sure he got something. I think he thought the prices were going to get out of control and he would be left holding the bag so he overreacted. 


The baserunning is to me a product of the players trying to do too much. TC has talked about the team being aggressive on the bases and I think the players are trying to do too much. To me that's more on the players. To me there's a difference between aggressive and stupid. Daniel Murphy's mistakes have been just down right stupid in my opinion. Begs the question, do you have players that have baseball smarts? 


Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

More like AJ Burnett than Big Pelf, but I get what you're saying.

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

Agreed. Good summary. Right on about Wright. For all the talk about Murph, Wright has 3 less hits and is tied with Arenado for 4th or 5th in NL. Has 3 errors but look at the other 3rd baseman. Look at Longoria's stats. It says a lot indeed that this is Wright's slump.

DON'T BE SLOPPY
DON'T BE SLOPPY

@chasesimmsThey should make Arizona an offer they can't refuse for Goldschmidt. Talking Gee, deGrom(or Wheeler if they will take him in a package), d'Arnuad & Duda.

Gee, deGrom and d"Arnuad would be 3 good pieces for Arizona to make their team stronger. 


ShawnP
ShawnP

@C.K. Dexter Haven Hope they don't sacrifice DeGrom,cant wait to see this kid throw again.He really looks like he has great stuff and could be something special for us for some years to come.IMO

Doubleday
Doubleday

@C.K. Dexter Haven  Wheeler's problem is that he has no mustache to go with that beard.  Nobody ever says, "Gosh, that Amish pitcher strikes fear in the opposition."

Bob Primosch
Bob Primosch

@C.K. Dexter Haven I think the bigger problem is the FO having unrealistic expectations of this team, which leads to TC managing for his job.  But the roster still isn't there so he reaches for short term fixes like benching Lagares for EY.  The truth is that the Mets won't be ready to compete until next year at the earliest, but the fanbase doesn't want to hear it and you can't blame them.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@mystere24  I think it has less to do with guts and more to do with opposing GMs not giving Sandy anything he could possibly need....because they don't have to.  Everyone knows Sandy has no money to sign FAs so his only option is acquisitions thru trade.  I assume GMs start salivating every time the phone rings and the caller id shows SA.

dave42
dave42

@hankypanky Maddux's walk rate was very surprising to me.  Not surprising the Cubs gave up on him.

dave42
dave42

@Tarheel11 @dave42 For those who want to compare Wheeler with Pelfrey, here are the numbers for Pelfrey's first two seasons and then his entire Mets' career:


2 years:  94 IP, 5.55 ERA, 4.88 BB/9, 5.55 K/9

Mets Career:  896.1 IP, 4.36 ERA, 3.19 BB/9, 5.08 K/9


Now, even Pelfrey, mediocre as he was, figured out how to win 15 games in a season and as a 24-year old was actually semi-passable.  I do understand the frustration with Wheeler, and the comparison.  Pelfrey never seemed to be able to get that third strike.  Wheeler has a bit of that too at times this year.  But in the minors, Pelfrey had 88 good innings at A+ and AA before being called up for the first time.  Wheeler has had 391 innings in the minors with over 100 at AAA. 


Might Wheeler wash out?  Of course!  If I had to bet, I'd say he turns into a Koosman/Darling type #2 starter.  He's been too good at a young age to go the route of Pelfrey.

Dennis McShea
Dennis McShea

@spelletrader  Can't trade Niese he's the only lefty..Shouldn't trade Gee..can't trade Harvey because he is just coming back from TJ. The others are all unproven..Wheeler is hot and cold and plus the team that plays behind him and all others have got to pitch 1-2 runs a game because that is basically all these guys can muster up when scoring runs..At times Wheeler looks good but not consistent. Mets are going to try to package something together for a hitter..I am guessing Wheeler-Murphy and perhaps Meija along with two AA guys. They will try to trade Colon too but he has 2 years plus perhaps 15million left on his contract by July..its going to be hard..could always play E Young at 2nd or Flores

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Joe Wenzel @Tarheel11  Who knows how he'll develop. Unlike a lot of people here I don't claim to know how players are going to turn out. What I do know is that scouts who get paid for a living to know these things loved him. I'll take their opinion over anyone's here. Could he turn into a bust? Absolutely! But it's not like he's been horrible. 

Part of the problem is the frustration with the franchise as a whole and I get that. But to make comments like this kid is ruined for his career? Just blows my mind

Kyungwan K. Chae
Kyungwan K. Chae

@Steven Matregrano @Kyungwan K. Chae  Well I feel Harvey was rushed as well. Harvey made most of it and showed the world he was better pitcher than what most scouts thought he was, but his success doesn't make Wheelers early promotion less rushed.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Steven Matregrano True, but there are other options down there for the BP too.  He could've called up Edgin and pushed Dice-K into the rotation.  Could've called Montero and deGrom up for a spot start and sent them right back down. Like i said...just seems odd to me.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Sorry, but Niese and Gee will be salary dumps. The question should be: who can we get in return?

spelletrader
spelletrader

The "unproven" have more value than the floundering Wheeler does. Most teams already have a Wheeler in the organization, they won't give much for another.

Murphy is one of the few bright spots in this offense, if you package him you create yet another hole to fill.

Not that the Mets won't deal him, he's due a pay raise next year and these owners are pinching every penny they can find. It just doesn't make any sense from a winning standpoint.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Steven Matregrano @Tarheel11 @Mark Phelan  You're kidding right? The announcers have even brought it up. How many times has Murphy tried to sneak stolen bases and gotten picked off? Was it in Colorado when he broke for third with two outs and got nailed? He's done it a few times this year. Those kind of mistakes are inexcusable! To make the third out at third with your 3 hitter up? That's baseball IQ! 

And I have never said Murphy can't hit. Thank god he can or else he wouldn't have a job.